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Industrialist and standings, a no-go?

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#41 - 2012-02-13 23:54:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
As an industrialist it is a good idea to have some basic combat skill because:

* To gain standing via security missions.

* Eventually you will be wardec'd.

* You may have to defend a POS.

I recommend training for at least a battlecruiser of some sort. Just because you are an industrialist doesn't mean you have to avoid combat!


I'm an industrialist (I own about 42 billion worth of researched BPO at NPC prices), and I have standings with many corps via security missions. I've done level 4 missions, and wormhole sites including C5 and C6 with capital escalations.

I have a research alt that only has standing with Caldari Navy (he declined all storylines and player faction kill missions) so he gets brokerage discounts and 100 percent refining yield. He can pilot a Tengu and do level 4 missions.

My research alt takes care of the POS. He has Starbase Defense trained, and Logistics 5 trained for a Basilisk to rep the tower's shield. Since he has Caldari Cruiser 5, it was trivial to train for a Tengu. All his missile support skills are at level 4, and he has Heavy Missile Specialization 4. He trained everything with his max intelligence > memory attribute mapping (recently even trained Caldari Freighter 5 with that attribute mapping).

Also since has Caldari Cruiser 5, he can pilot a Falcon or a Rook to make himself annoying. He can also pilot a Scorpion battleship too.

Unfortunately I don't have my research alt or other alts on EVEboard, but for what it is worth:
* Tau Cabalander - I'm a miner / industrialist, yet I can pilot capital ships too. I'm currently on a plan that will have me piloting every T1 sub-capital in about a month.
* Sig Rethban - My shadow that follows me around. Mining booster, salvager, hacker, archeologist, and anything else I need him to do. Currently improving his skills for a Rattlesnake drone boat for level 4 missions, as he has no other weapon skills.
Droxlyn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-02-14 05:59:18 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

......if you start ANY new AGENT within any Corp in that Faction...any new one at ALL....it will reset that 16 count BACK to ZERO.

Found that out the hard way. Seemed to take forever to obtain a storyline, and the GM responded with that about starting a new agent. I had been at 15 missions with Ammatar Mandate and started a Level 4 agent that I just qualified for ......and went back to zero. So I had to do 31 missions until a Storyline.

Who knew ???

So starting a new agent for any faction is best immediately after a Storyline mission, as it is already at zero then.


You need 16 same-level same-faction missions to get a like level storyline mission. If you go back and do another level 3 mission after doing 15 level 3 missions then 16 level 4 missions, you'll get a level 3 storyline mission.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#43 - 2012-02-14 15:20:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Droxlyn wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

......if you start ANY new AGENT within any Corp in that Faction...any new one at ALL....it will reset that 16 count BACK to ZERO.

Found that out the hard way. Seemed to take forever to obtain a storyline, and the GM responded with that about starting a new agent. I had been at 15 missions with Ammatar Mandate and started a Level 4 agent that I just qualified for ......and went back to zero. So I had to do 31 missions until a Storyline.

Who knew ???

So starting a new agent for any faction is best immediately after a Storyline mission, as it is already at zero then.


You need 16 same-level same-faction missions to get a like level storyline mission. If you go back and do another level 3 mission after doing 15 level 3 missions then 16 level 4 missions, you'll get a level 3 storyline mission.



That's.......interesting ? I guess. More alarming is the reset to ZERO.

My post concerned starting ANY new agent at ANY level in the same faction at all, in the middle of the 16 mission run.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-02-14 15:29:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyniac
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

A note about this that came up in a petition for me last month.....

......if you start ANY new AGENT within any Corp in that Faction...any new one at ALL....it will reset that 16 count BACK to ZERO.

Found that out the hard way. Seemed to take forever to obtain a storyline, and the GM responded with that about starting a new agent. I had been at 15 missions with Ammatar Mandate and started a Level 4 agent that I just qualified for ......and went back to zero. So I had to do 31 missions until a Storyline.

Who knew ???


TL; DR; Counters never reset to Zero. Thus no one knew because that is not what happened.

Go back to your level 3 agent, run one more mission for him - Tada you'll get a lvl 3 storyline.

The counters are never reset to zero, though I can believe that GM explanation was perhaps a bit confusing. What really happens is that per faction you have four counters, one per agent level.

So lets say I run missions for Gallente, SoE, and Minmatar, my counters could look like this:

Lvl 1 Gallente - 12
Lvl 2 Gallente - 8
Lvl 3 Gallente - 13
Lvl 4 Gallente - 3

Lvl 1 Minmatar - 11
Lvl 2 Minmatar - 13
Lvl 3 Minmatar - 8
Lvl 4 Minmatar - 12

Lvl 1 SoE - 3
Lvl 2 SoE - 5
Lvl 3 SoE - 0
Lvl 4 SoE - 0


So - lets say I run 6 lvl 3 missions with minmatar my counter would then be:

Minmatar lvl 3 - 14

Then I run 12 missions with a new SoE lvl 3 agent:

Lvl 3 SoE - 12

Then I run 2 lvl 4 R&D Minmatar missions with a new agent

Minmatar lvl 4 - 14

Then I go back to my initial lvl 3 minmatar agent. I run 2 more missions. My missions have not reset. I would hit the 16th mission in that counter and trigger a lvl 3 minmatar storyline mission.


These mission counters are one of the stablest things in EVE, I've not seen them reset since before Apocrypha (which is when I started flying around) they always work exactly the same way and they never ever reset, new agents or not. My only doubt is whether COSMOS missions are added to the counters (I know that research and epic arc missions ARE added to the counters)


What actually happened to you was that by accessing lvl 4 missions in a faction where you had never run lvl 4 missions before, you started to fill the lvl 4 counter, which at the time was empty. But the lvl 3 counter was not in any reset by the fact you started to work with the new agent.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#45 - 2012-02-14 16:02:46 UTC
Pretty sure Cosmos missions are. I'm pretty sure I got a storyline missing after completing a cosmos mission.

Only pretty sure though.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#46 - 2012-02-14 16:33:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Cyniac wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

A note about this that came up in a petition for me last month.....

......if you start ANY new AGENT within any Corp in that Faction...any new one at ALL....it will reset that 16 count BACK to ZERO.

Found that out the hard way. Seemed to take forever to obtain a storyline, and the GM responded with that about starting a new agent. I had been at 15 missions with Ammatar Mandate and started a Level 4 agent that I just qualified for ......and went back to zero. So I had to do 31 missions until a Storyline.

Who knew ???


TL; DR; Counters never reset to Zero. Thus no one knew because that is not what happened.

Go back to your level 3 agent, run one more mission for him - Tada you'll get a lvl 3 storyline.

The counters are never reset to zero, though I can believe that GM explanation was perhaps a bit confusing. What really happens is that per faction you have four counters, one per agent level.

So lets say I run missions for Gallente, SoE, and Minmatar, my counters could look like this:

Lvl 1 Gallente - 12
Lvl 2 Gallente - 8
Lvl 3 Gallente - 13
Lvl 4 Gallente - 3

Lvl 1 Minmatar - 11
Lvl 2 Minmatar - 13
Lvl 3 Minmatar - 8
Lvl 4 Minmatar - 12

Lvl 1 SoE - 3
Lvl 2 SoE - 5
Lvl 3 SoE - 0
Lvl 4 SoE - 0


So - lets say I run 6 lvl 3 missions with minmatar my counter would then be:

Minmatar lvl 3 - 14

Then I run 12 missions with a new SoE lvl 3 agent:

Lvl 3 SoE - 12

Then I run 2 lvl 4 R&D Minmatar missions with a new agent

Minmatar lvl 4 - 14

Then I go back to my initial lvl 3 minmatar agent. I run 2 more missions. My missions have not reset. I would hit the 16th mission in that counter and trigger a lvl 3 minmatar storyline mission.


These mission counters are one of the stablest things in EVE, I've not seen them reset since before Apocrypha (which is when I started flying around) they always work exactly the same way and they never ever reset, new agents or not. My only doubt is whether COSMOS missions are added to the counters (I know that research and epic arc missions ARE added to the counters)


What actually happened to you was that by accessing lvl 4 missions in a faction where you had never run lvl 4 missions before, you started to fill the lvl 4 counter, which at the time was empty. But the lvl 3 counter was not in any reset by the fact you started to work with the new agent.


THAT INFO was out of the mind of a GM and I am not allowed to post it.

That counter WILL reset to zero.

I CANNOT post the petition responses obviously (but then you probably don't believe THAT either), but it's out of the horse's mouth.

You are welcome to file a 'question' petition to get the same info yourself.

Pathetic Troll...and tl;dr your "I have absolutely no Life so I do THIS" post.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#47 - 2012-02-14 16:40:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Kreul Intentions
*SNIP*

Please follow the rules, GM responses are not allowed on the forum unless they themselves post a response.

Thank you,
Kreul Intentions

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#48 - 2012-02-14 17:07:20 UTC
Huh.

All I can say is that I have gotten two storylines AT THE SAME TIME by running parallel sets of level 2 and level 3 missions. More specifically, I had 2x level 2 R&D agents, and 2x level 3 R&D agents, and I ran their missions every day for 8 days (I presume, I did not count the days/missions, but that is about right). Several times I had two storylines pending, sometimes because I got them within minutes of each other, or other times because I did not run the storyline right away.

So maybe the mechanics have changed (when was your petition?), but they were not always that way.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-02-14 17:11:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyniac
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
So SHOVE IT UP THERE Cyniac...............Roll


Filed with all of the other mistakes that GMs make over time. They are not infallible. I stand by my statements, it would in fact be easy for you to confirm it - just go back to your initial agent and run that lvl 2 mission. If you really were at 15 missions it should result in a new storyline for you right away.

In fact the explanation the GM gives is not totally inaccurate but incomplete and a bit misleading. You are altogether too hung up on the word Reset.


Hint - Empirical evidence trumps GM statements in EVE. Every time.

Having said that - I will take the time to check your statement, though it runs contrary to all evidence I've come across in EVE so far.
Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
#50 - 2012-02-14 18:01:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Villoso
The only reason for an industrialist to have faction standings is POS anchoring. But since you can buy a POS standings corp for 50mil or less, there's no point doing it. Stick to corp standings for the R&D corps and your refine station and maybe Caldari Navy for Jita trading standings. You can have ALL of them if you'd like, as long as you avoid faction standings.

edit: storyline missions are awarded by agent level. So if you switch to level 3, your count FOR LEVEL 3's is zero. You will still have a count for level 2's. You can do what a previous poster has done and run both levels and get two storylines. Storyline agents are all level 1, but their level is irrelevant to the storyline mission offered.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#51 - 2012-02-14 21:26:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Salcon Cliff wrote:
Huh.

All I can say is that I have gotten two storylines AT THE SAME TIME by running parallel sets of level 2 and level 3 missions. More specifically, I had 2x level 2 R&D agents, and 2x level 3 R&D agents, and I ran their missions every day for 8 days (I presume, I did not count the days/missions, but that is about right). Several times I had two storylines pending, sometimes because I got them within minutes of each other, or other times because I did not run the storyline right away.

So maybe the mechanics have changed (when was your petition?), but they were not always that way.


2 months ago. See GM's statement for dates.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#52 - 2012-02-14 21:28:32 UTC
Mara Villoso wrote:


edit: . So if you switch to level 3, your count FOR LEVEL 3's is zero. You will still have a count for level 2's.


For the sake of Jesus H. Christ, please read GM Tiny's response ONE MORE TIME SLOWLY.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#53 - 2012-02-14 21:29:58 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
So SHOVE IT UP THERE Cyniac...............Roll


Filed with all of the other mistakes that GMs make over time. They are not infallible. I stand by my statements, it would in fact be easy for you to confirm it - just go back to your initial agent and run that lvl 2 mission. If you really were at 15 missions it should result in a new storyline for you right away.

In fact the explanation the GM gives is not totally inaccurate but incomplete and a bit misleading. You are altogether too hung up on the word Reset.


Hint - Empirical evidence trumps GM statements in EVE. Every time.

Having said that - I will take the time to check your statement, though it runs contrary to all evidence I've come across in EVE so far.



Biggest ASSHAT TROLL of the Year Award. Congratulations. Happy now ?

You seriously need psychiatric help.


"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#54 - 2012-02-14 21:31:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Cyniac wrote:

Hint - Empirical evidence trumps GM statements in EVE. Every time.

Having said that - I will take the time to check *your* GM TINY'S statement, though it runs contrary to all evidence I've come across in EVE so far.


Fixed that fer ya too. Take it up with HIM, not me.

I f you can get GM Tiny to prove otherwise, hats off too ya.


And I've got better things to do in life than "duplicate again just to see...and prove a troll wrong". Sorry but word from CCP is believable, not your oblivious psychobabble.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
#55 - 2012-02-15 15:18:34 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Mara Villoso wrote:


edit: . So if you switch to level 3, your count FOR LEVEL 3's is zero. You will still have a count for level 2's.


For the sake of Jesus H. Christ, please read GM Tiny's response ONE MORE TIME SLOWLY.

F**k you and the horse you rode in on.
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#56 - 2012-02-15 15:27:43 UTC
Just as an FYI (in case you did not catch it) the GM is responding in English and, based on a few grammatical irregularities, English is not his/her native language. You are arguing explicit wording that may not be completely accurate as stated, but may be accurate in intent - the GM may mean to say that you start a new counter (at zero, a 'reset') when you switch agent levels, while never intending to say that your old level counter is set to zero.
ISD Kreul Intentions
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-02-17 14:13:59 UTC
Please get back on topic and forget about the GM response to this thread, otherwise the thread will need to be locked and everyone move on.

Thank you.
Kreul

Kreul Intentions Community Communication Liason (CCL) Interstellar Services Department
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