Science & Industry

I'm trying to set up a long term plan as an all round industrialist. From what I got setting up a POS will be my first target in the mid-long term. I know it's a huge topic to discuss but there are lots of informations available and I'll be studying the subject, even if from what I've got I'll just need an high-sec POS where to run my research and invention jobs.
For the moment I'm busy mining and refining but I have some questions about a common problem to all these activities: standings!

I have perfect refining skills at least for the ore I mine but the fees I have to pay in NPC stations finally give me less amount of minerals than those a friend of mine has having 6.7 or above standings towards the same NPC corp. So, to refine I need those standings too, and this means a lot of mission running which also means lots of "moving around" and time. Ok, I can invest some time in that but to make it less dispersive I'm looking for some NPC corp having stations in all the empire and possibly belonging to different factions. These are the most interesting ones for their assets and agents: Joint Harvesting (Amarr), Core Complexion (Minmatar), Quafe (Gallente), Freedom Extension (Minmatar). Any other one, maybe belonging to the Caldari State?

Ok, let's say I can now increase my NPC standings for the perfect refining yeld. But this links me to the next and possibly main issue: faction standings! Afaik there is noway to increase my faction standing other than running security missions which will offer me the storyline ones every 16 or so. But since I'll have to reject those against other empire factions, it means I'll just take forever to have the standings I need to anchor a pos in high sec, which is 5 at least! Moreover, I can fly a destroyer atm and I cannot spend months to be able to run L3 (not to mention L4) and the faction standings increase given by L1-2 storyline missions is just ridicule.

All this to say: this looks almost like a no-go for me, and means I'll have to purchase "services" from other players to anchor the pos in high-sec which are pretty expensive and doesn't fix another huge problem I could be facing as a 1-man corp indy: wardecs!! In fact I planned to set up a small control tower without any defensive structures at all. If wardec'd and finding my pos in RF, I just planned to dismantle it and move it somewhere else, which means I'll need to anchor it again...... another no-go on the faction standings subject.

So, am I missing something?

THIS (but you gotta have some cash to purchase the tags, so do what you can):

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Data_center


Brought my Ammatar Mandate from 1.66 to 5.1 in 36 hours and slapped up my Tower.

BTW, we are recruiting..........

As a side issue, generally L3s have the best time to standing ratio. At least, they do when you can do L4s.

It's possible to remain positive with all of them. Just takes a lot longer. alternate between the sides, working each one up. You gain more than you lose.

Take a look at the faction standing repair plan

I'd rather work on the 4 of them, even if I'll prolly leave Caldari off. Why? First I like to move a bit and mining in high sec in different factions regions means having different ores to mine, which can be better, even if not necessarily. Second: if you'll ever set up a pos and you're wardec'd and your opponenets know you're not moving more than 3-4 system far, that's is an easy hunting for them.


You have to decline the storylines against them, which is a bit of a pain in the a since it takes quite a lot to have the storyline mission but it's noway if you accept them. Btw, most likely you'll have minor standing losses anyway, cause in some missions you could have to destroy structures or ships belonging to some opposite faction, but while this will give you losses in the order of a 0.1% a single storyline mission will make your standings fall of 2% for L2's and 5% for L3's _at least_ (all values roughly rounded).

edit: you'll have to decline also *normal* missions against opposite factions, though I don't know how much you'll loose in standings accepting them, less than storylines for sure, more than occasional drops as well.

Also, running the SoE epic arc out of Arnon every 3 months, and picking your worst possible faction is useful for doing a bit of standings repair.

Actually as industrialist, it's pretty easy to get yourself into a ship for level 3 missions.

Enter the Drake.. yes it's a cookiecutter ship, but it is because it works. you can easily coast through level 3s and 4s if youré patient with it. Especially as industrialist, as you will have int/mem spec, meaning you can train up your support skills which you want to max out anyway to decent level. All you need is caldari cruiser 3 and battlecruisers 3 from per/will which doesn't take much training, oh and some missile skills, but that's like 2 weeks training tops for decent level and tech 1 heavy launchers with some support skills.

I missioned myself to faction standing of nearly 7 with both minnie and gallente, mainly with level 3 combat missions, while my caldari and amarr are still 'ok'. Eventually when I get around to it, I plan on getting a pile of tags and getting my caldari and amarr rep up high as well.

Just remember if you're going to mission, you will want some missioning skills too to enhance faction gain/payouts.

No such thing as a personal POS. All POS belong to the corporation. Which means you need the appropriate roles for it. And anyone else with appropriate roles can use it too. Personal standings don't count for POS anchoring. Just Corp standings (so skills don't apply) (And it's faction standing that's important, rather than npc corp standing)

If you switch corp, you leave the POS behind.

Getting standings with spread out corps gives you flexibility. More places you can operate at lower expenses.

No idea about the Taranis. with a DPS fit, probably. Though Dagan will probably still annoy you (Blow him away with a battleship. It's therapeutic)

Cheers.




I don't understand the relevance of these tables and how I could use the data to more quickly gain/ lose less standings, could you explan please

/edit also can you contactually exchange POS ownership between corps if so does the 'buying' corp need the correct standings

AKAIK, you cannot transfer ownership of a POS in any way. It is annoying, but I can understand how it would basically eliminate the standings requirements.

Those tables indicate the ripple effect of standings losses/gains that occur when you have a faction standing change.

The main factions are fairly straight forward. A couple of examples:
You complete an Amarr faction storyline and receive a standings bump (say, 2%). This 2% is the difference between where you are now in the standings and perfect standings. So, if you had standings of 0, you would then have 0.2 as your new standing (ignoring all social skills). If you were at 5 before the change, you would only go up 2% of the difference between 10 and 5. Your new standing would be 5.1.

At the same time, a ripple effect will occur across all your standings with all other factions on the table. Minmatar has a -5 standing on the first table and -5 on the second, as well.
- The first table is your max standing you can get to by changing other factions standings; so, you can run 1,000 Amarr storylines, but you will never lower your Minmatar standing to less than -5 by doing them. It is also your bottom 'cap' that the derived percentage from table 2 is applied to.

Table 2 shows the relative change in the Minmatar standings: -50% of the increase in Amarr standings, in this case. So, if you Minmatar standing was 0 before the hypothetical storyline, it would drop 1% of the difference between 0 and -5, or -0.05 points.

There are two lessons from the table
- standings change relatively quickly from zero (up or down) but then slow down.
- Any directly increased standing for one faction has a much more muted standing for the others, so you can alternate factions and keep all of them 'good'.

All the major factions have the same numbers in table 1 and 2. The minor factions can be quite severe, such as blood Raider to Amarr, where table 1 had -8.00 (those 1,000 Amarr storyline will get you this low) and Table 2 has -13.3 (each storyline completed for Amarr will result in an even larger percent decrease to blood raider).

I could have this all screwed up (I actaully understood where all the numbers came from at one time), but the gist is correct.

EDIT: Oh, faction ship kills are not subject to the standings caps and can lower you well beyond them.