Jita Park Speakers Corner

There's no crusade against CCP, there's constant dialog. 90% of it goes wonderfully.
Sometimes there's hiccups, and after attempts at solving the situation peacefully and quietly so that everyone's happy, if we can't reach consensus our job is to tell you "we're trying but we can't seem to agree". That's what's going on. No crusade. And everyone in the CSM agrees with that stance.

The CSM isn't obsolete, as I said 90% of the collaboration with CCP goes very well. Constructive dialog with CCP has never been better, particularly when it comes to specific items (ie, features/changes in development). When it comes to more structural things, we still have progress to make, but we're working on that, as we have been working on getting the dialog over features to work.

Conversations require a mutual understanding, and sometimes that's hard (on both sides). We're filling that gap, or at least trying to. That said, after the initial work, you'll find that devs enter public conversations with the public at large despite the low signal:noise ratio. Check the features & idea subforum where CCP Greyscale has been posting a lot recently.
If conversations get heated they sometimes generate needless drama, hence the efforts in trying to solve things quietly first.

Thanks for the clear answer.

However if you read this topic 'CSM chair declaring war on CCP, tells players to bring gasoline' you must agree that it looks more like a crusade than like a civil discussion.

I have a question.

Why are we being forced to use the Captain's Quarters? Many people are not interested in this feature at all. Is it purely to entice people to use the nex store?

The problem with asking a question like this is, you want to ask a crapload more, but most of them answered by CCP get the typical Soon ™ reply.

Are they aware that a lot of us don't use it anyhow? Even when I had it active, as a rule I'll head to empire on occasion from the hole, pop into a station, buy, sell and leave. The character stands there, never taking a step. There's a lot of us that quite often simply want to get in, get done and get gone.

I can appreciate that they're trying to expand the game into the stations... it's kind of adding an MMO "feel" to it with avatars that will interact. But there should, ideally, be considerations for those that prefer to play the game that exists outside the stations.

We haven't gotten a whole team, but we did get a dev, CCP Tallest. He posted on the old forums about the Dramiel and Logi ships, and we have been talking to him a lot about how to fix supercaps. We haven't given up on pushing for this, it certainly is needed.

Well, the one dev can talk to other devs, as well as to the CSM and to the public (see the feedback thread on the dram/logi on the other forums).

Our basic philosophy on this sort of stuff is that this is why it is important to make balance a continuous process. If balance changes happened every 2 months, making a ship a bit OP for a while is no big deal, it can be fixed in the next patch.

This is an area where the CSM/Player communications need to improve. After Tallest's initial batch of changes, he started work on the supercap balance changes. The CSM and a bunch of CCP devs have a 5 page thread on the old forums talking about some of his proposed changes. I think he has a final version of the changes ready for us (and you) to look at, hopefully we will all see that soon.

Terrible idea. That forum works because there's a mutual understanding with the CSM and CCP. That comes from having had long interactions with CCP and understanding how they function.
It means that we can argue back and forth openly, without anyone having to fear players would run with "CCP X said ******** thing Y". It also prevents plans/ideas to be taken as promises.

One of the lingering issues with CCP communications is that any statement is taken as a promise, and when CCP fails to deliver the players are up in arms because "they promised".

There's quite a few players who'd be able to read those forums correctly, but I don't think as a whole it would be beneficial in the least.

Communication from the CSM has been pretty forthcoming, actually. (see: This entire forum) Their biggest impediment to more detailed conversation is the NDA, which not much can be done about.

Communication from CCP hasn't been great, but based on experience from several other MMO (AO, DAOC, FFXI, WoW), there is worse out there.

Of all the things that needs improvement regarding communication, CCP's communication and direct community involvement needs the most help.

So... the rest of you CSM guys are in full support of Mittens eh? Help him in editing his reponses even? That's great!

I find myself wondering if this show of support is because you think everyone has forgotten what an ass Mittens made of himself on the old forums and you think people have forgotten or you just think it's the cool thing to do now.

I remember his self centered vile spewing, meh!

Either way I still support the idea of terminating the CSM as it serves little more purpose than to allow the members to preen in front of a player base.

Some suggestions from the old forums:

1) Terminate CSM - It's apparent by their own admissions from the old forums they have no interest in listening to anyone who didn't vote last election. ( I understand the concept and if this were in a RL situation, however this is not. This is a game in which EVERYONE pays subscriptions to play.) Implement a log-in survey and allow anyone who logs in have a voice.

^*Not sure what the publicity stunt is for and why all the hype after the new forums pop up. I suppose the CSM/CCP is hoping we've forgotten about the abuse with no apology.*^

2) Remove Sov mechanics.

3) Remove any and all CCP employees from the game as players within corps/alliances. Corporate policy should not allow an employee to be a part of the playerbase for reasons we are all aware of, hence the formation of the CSM.

4) CCP, start acting like you are the best. It worked for you for several years and you gave this awesome game life. Now it's time you remove the constraints (CSM) and move forward as you were meant to do.

CCP you created an awesome game, while I do not like the CQ or NEX, your game is still intact. You've got to get rid of the politics though. Lose the CSM and the sov mechanics and you'll be able to go back to spending your money on the things that matter to most of the players.

If you need help cleaning the towers and blockade/sov units etc. I and I'm sure many other carebears are willing to buckle up and fly down to 0.0 to help in the removal process.