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So If I keep scraeming like a little 3 year old saying I should get paid 1 billion ISK a week for playing EVE online every other day then I'll get it?


Oh wat....

I don't understand the concept of removing skills. There really would be no benefit that i can see other than you can wave at people going "hey i got mining level 5 removed!"

It takes like 5 days for anyone to train mining to level 5. If you have been playing eve for 1 year or so, that training time is insignificant. Just spend 5 days training the skill you want trained. It seems like it would take just as long as it would take for these "un-training" queues.

And now you explain us how you will do all of this with just 3m SP?

Dont make yourself look any more ******** and go read the first post, not just topics title.

Not supported, you made the choice to train the skills you have same as anyone else live with it.

I'd use it if it were there, but don't care if it's never implemented. There's the obvious problem of potential abuse that would require it be very limited in scope if it existed at all, that's for certain.

I could probably free up 2-3 months of useless skills with a system such as this. The thing for bittervets to remember is that not everyone has the luxury of having all the basics down. It has taken me MONTHS of training to get into the Proteus that I'll be able to fly tonight (but still need another month's worth of skills to fly well)...and that's after flying a Legion for more than half a year.

Devil's advocate:

Let's say you started as Minmatar and have been training long enough to fly most T2 cruisers, T3s, and battleships with T2 guns. You decide you want to add Amarr ships to your hangar. It takes roughly 50 days to train from Small Energy Turret I to Large Pulse Laser Specialization I. An additional 7 days for T2 beam lasers of all sizes. 35 days for Frigate 5, Cruiser 5, and Battleship 3.

So it takes 90+ days to switch ships and guns to a new race, and that's not counting what it might take for you to train for a new kind of tank. It's quite easy for a player's first cross-training to require 4-6 months. For someone like myself, that represents 25% of total playtime in Eve.

It's for this reason that I wouldn't object to having some method for freeing up skill points, allowing rookie mistakes and aborted career paths to be repurposed so that players can get on to enjoying the game rather than regretting permanent mistakes. Losing a ship, getting podded, all those other mistakes are temporary: I can replace it all through grinding. Waste skill points? They're gone forever.

edit: this could also be made into a tremendous isk sink if it cost per SP, and the cost went up for every SP you had removed.

Why do we need the ability to unlearn skillpoints? Why do we need the ability to directly buy skillpoints?

Why can't you just use the character bazaar?

This is from the first page of the character bazaar:

15m SP Tengu Pilot -- 6.5b
20m Covert Ops Pilot -- 6b
75m Leadership T3 Pilot -- 20b
25m Gallente PvP Pilot - 9b
32m Minnie PvP Pilot -- 7.5b
28m Hulk-Freighter-Tengu Pilot -- 7.5b
75m All-Race Sub-BS PvP Pilot -- 30b

Given the cost of plex... if you have money to spend, spend it on one of these characters.. then you reward a pilot who's actually played the game for the last several years and needs the isk rather than the character.

I see no reason to allow players to redistribute skills, and I see lots of ways it could be abused.
Either start your suggestions with a valid purpose/reason, or quit posting these threads!

BTW:
1m skillpoints earns you cruiser V... instantly
1m skillpoints earns you t2 medium weapons... instantly

Assuming you can already fly t2 ships, with around 2m freebee sp's, you can instantly train into any new races t2 BCs, cruisers, and below, with t2 guns and all. Given new FOTM's only change with major releases (read annually), how does your proposal not equate to:

No, for reasons as stated above by others. This could only end badly.

Not really sure what you're trying to say there, Voith. Anyways, this idea is overly-suggested, would be game-breaking in EVE, and people who suggest this should biomass themselves both out of shame for not knowing how to use the search function on the forums AND for failing so miserably at understanding the core concepts of EVE.

It is amazing how its always the same naysayers screaming no for no logical reason at all. Just no. Stoming your feet yelling no! I originally suggested the unlearning skill point option in another thread and a few people turned it into a massive flame war of ignorance. It is NOT a bad idea. Adding a cost to it is an even better idea since it would provide an excellent ISK sink as Floppie already stated. There is no reason this couldn't be properly implemented. It would not be a game breaking change. As I stated in a previous thread which also sent Drake into a frenzy of crazy...I don't particularly want an SP refund option in the game as it would not benifit me specifically. I do recognize, however, that many other people want the option and it may be better for CCP in the end to have one to appease the majority of average players that could benefit from such an option.

You need to learn how to do math. You wouldn't be able to train while untraining. Only one or the other. If untraining takes longer or even half the time it takes to train the skill then you are still losing time that could be spent towards training. You will never gain SP at a faster rate...you will always lose SP that you could have had if you had just trained instead.