EVE General Discussion

I had found a sweet spot for occasiaionally LvL 4 mission running with my alt but i was a little disturbed about the local. 35 peeps in a system everbody would say in the boondocks is understatement. That made me curious and i checked the system and to my surprise there is an Ice Belt filled with Mackinaws.
Sure i'm a lowsec pirate but i didn't know anything about highsec ganking so it was time for that experience. To have a slight challenge my goal was to find the smallest ship able to kill a Mackinaw in a 0.5 and 0.6 system and with the latest buff in Destroyer surely they would be a good candidate. So i started my own test runs, to determinate the EHP of different fitted Mackinaws and how many volleys of a specific weapon system could get fired until Concord will show up.

For my first gank i started with a 1400mm Arti fitting on a Typhoon and yep the Mackinaw popped and surprisingly the local dropped more or less instantly from 35 to ~15. You can draw your own conclusion for me it was a nice side effect.
After some more runs i finally thought i determinated the fitting of a Mackinaw my Trasher, Cane and Tornado can and cannot handle in a 0.5 and 0.6 system. While doing the test runs i was thinking what would i do and how i would fit a Mackinaw to avoid being ganked randomly under the assumption that any ship is gankable even with a bloated tank. My first thought was proper tank fitted mackinaw, my second a fleet booster and miners obviously know about that option because of the Orca but are they using the Orca just to boost mining or more?

I was going to find out that soon. I was pretty confident about my knowledge in ganking Mackinaws and the other day i found my next target. A nice tanked Mackinaw to heavy tanked for my Trasher with Condord already in the belt and myself to lazy to get them i out, i jumped into a Tornado. Everything was in position and i fired the guns but something wasn't right that Mackinaw didn't die to my Alpha Tornado.
I scanned the surviving Mackinaw again which was in half Armor to check if i missed something but no that fitting used to be gankable with my Tornado. Now i was really curious and i scanned the nearby Orca and hell yes that ship had fitted a "Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II" mod.

I smiled and left with the thought, why the hell not more miner just use their Orca for some extra tank boost. That boost gives you at least 2k extra EHP, enough to survive a solo ganker. A Tengu booster with a Mindlink and a good Mackinaw fit can get you up to 18k EHP (no imps) to gank that you need at least 2 Tornados. A booster isn't a small Investition skillwise but you need only one to boost at max 250 miner.

Why not more highsec miners get social and combine their resources to be more safe? Is highsec in this regard antisocial because there is no force to adapt and the result is solo running the PvE content (except Incursions) or are highsec peeps just refusing to adapt and insisting the rules have to change so they haven't to adapt the slightest?
It is possible to adapt example is the guy which used his Orca to boost his tank.

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Do bots have a setting for that ?

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And also: Tritanium becomes the golden eggs at this very right moment gents so yes keep ganking, the less tritanium will be on market the less titans they will build, at higher prices you'll sell your ships and mods.

Excellent. As soon as the ganker start paying his T1 destroyer about 15/20 M Tornados 150/200M with no fittings they will start mining them selves witch would be hilarious

I have no clue, if those guys were actual humans or bots. Any human who paid attention would have seen the message and would have known it' not safe anymore at the latest when they saw the Mackinaw wreck but how many human miners pay attention when they mine? The same can be said about bots not every bot user has set his bot to dock/log out if.......
After my ganking run i check the system from time to time with another alt and i never saw local above 35 anymore even not on Sundays and when i log in my ganking alt the local drops at least 3 or more peeps instantly. Lasting effect i would say.

Not sure what you are saying.

Even with a Orca boost it is still very easy to gank a mack. Were talking about a ship that only has what 11 - 13k EHP.

With a Hulk you might get up to 27k EHP.

If somebody wants to gank you they will and there is very little you can do.

When I mine I always watch local and d-scan and fit my ships with a balance of Tank and mining yield.

So far touch wood I have not been ganked in a very long time but if I was I would just shrug my shoulders and carry on, no point crying about it as **** happens.

As Aqriue said, mining vessels will always be on the losing end simply because there is only so much you can do, were as all the gankers have to do is field 1 more cheap dessie.

But this is Eve and if you can not accept that then go play another game.

If you have an orca/hauling alt, I really don't understand why anyone wold mine in a hulk.

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Co-Processor II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Survey Scanner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

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Large Drone Mining Augmentor II
Large Cargohold Optimization I
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That does pretty much the same m^3 as a hulk, but would take 7 or more nadoes to gank, why do people use hulks...seriously?

Macki is the exception. As everyone has pointed out, all ships can be suicided and for a barge the colst is much lower than the loss so you build your ISK loss/ killed stats on the killmail farming sites no matter how you do it. With mining I can fit a Veld Domi and mine pretty decent amounts of Trit. Ice, it's barge or bust and the cycle times mean even if you bail on trouble, they have no trouble preventing you from mining. If the root goal is to bankrupt you, keeping you docked up is as effective as blowing up your Macki. It's Lose/ Lose/ Lose for the ice miner.

Way way way WAY less than a hulk.

Another Forum Lie.

AND....that idiotic ship cannot mine Ice !!

Also, if you know your neighborhood, check Local often.....D-scan is USELESS in High Sec......equip Mack with Combat or ECM Drones and shoot out Large Shield Repair Drones from the Orca....and take off when a Brutix appears in system: one can safely survive if not untouched, with at least structure left. No excuse not to be doing these things anyway.