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Eve is one of the few games that punishes customers for being long-time subscribers thanks to its unflexible jumpclone system.

It discourages higher SP characters to take part in e.g. nullsec t1 frigate roams because depending on clone requirements, losing the implant-less clone alone costs ~30-40 times as much as losing the entire ship.

So here's the proposal:
- Players get to chose a main medical clone that retains all current skills plus the one that was in training whn he was podded in a different jumpclone. If they decide to pvp in their main medical clone and it's not fully upgraded, people lose their SP just as they used to.
- When installing a jumpclone, a player can chose any clone type from alpha to omega and the move the desired skills (including their prerequisites) into that clone up to the chosen limit (or beyond that - but SP exceeding thetype of jumpclone wont be retained when getting podded). Once a player gets podded the jumpclone is destroyed and players need to create a new one in that slot.
- Players get to chose which clone they get transferred to once a jumpclone is destroyed, so it doesn't necessarily have to be the main medical clone.

The opposite is the case - I have no issue with getting podded - as a matter of fact I actually wait around in my pod with my lower SP alts if the enemy gang doesn't immediately go for my pod or self destruct the pod to travel home faster.

I just don't see why I have to pay more for being a long-time subscriber just because back in 2003, CCP thought that high SP = rich.

Besides this proposal having nothing to do with implants at all, that's what I do.

Just started my fourth pvp alt because they end up with too many SP. Sold my main 4 years ago because of it (well - you know first mains - they end up too unfocused...) and now the other two are 20 and 30 mill/pod without implants again.

Anyway - that's not the point - the point is that other companies tend to reward long-time subscribers whereas CCP decided to punish them instead.

Keeping a 'main-med-clone' as a kind of skill library and tayloring some clones for specific needs by picking from that library would resolve that issue.

With this community's attitude this game is gonna sit with its poor subscription numbers for another 10 years. I dont get it why the same few people keeps spamming and criticizing every single idea posted on the forums while not contributing ANYTHING themselves, whats the f**king point?

Back on topic, I like this idea. I for one wouldnt ever pvp with my high SP main purely because of clone size. Its pointless mechanics, that doesnt add anything to the game.

Poor subscription numbers? Where the hell do you people get this crap?

It would reduce the ISK sink that clones create. Which is why I am kind of hesitant to say a change should be made. On one hand it would encourage more PVP in a larger variety of ships...on the other hand we don't have enough ISK sinks as it is and to lessen one that already exists and is working correctly may be a bad idea.

Um, jump clones really aren't that expensive. If you have SO many SP that you can't afford to lose the jumpclone, than you need to do *something* to make ISK once in a while. Someone with that many skills shouldn't have a problem making plenty of ISK.

If you are too lazy to run a mission/plex/incursion once in a while, or don't want to because it's "boring", that is your own fault and you need to deal with the consequences. Sorry, but jumpclones are working as intended, and you need to change what you're doing a little if you can't afford the clone.

I mean, c'mon - the jumpclone that holds 264 MILLION SKILLPOINTS only costs 90 MILLION ISK. To keep 120M SP is about 30M ISK. You're trying to tell me that your 100m+ SP toon can't afford 30M when he's podded? I call bullshit and/or you're lazy.

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What Tekashi said.

The problem isn't that I wouldn't be able to afford jumpclones (I don't have that many SP on my pvp alts - Sigma and Tau clones, as denoted earlier).

Making money isn't a problem either, yet skills for most money making activities are maxed out at ~25 mill SP max (maybe except for production - never did that) whereas JC cost continues to increase.

So no matter if someone plays the markets / does PVE / mining - a 25 mill SP pilot will do these activities just as efficient as a 100 mill character - yet the 20 mill JC costs 2 mill isk whereas the 100 mill SP clone costs 30 mill.


It's more about CCPs business conduct rather than about the actual cost: All companies I know of reward their long-time customers with premium offers, gifts, payback points and whatnot, whereas CCP punishes them. Now I'm not asking for a free limited edition ship for every year of continued subscription or anything, I just don't want to be punished for being a long-time subscriber. Call it a matter of principle.

And yes - losing an xx million isk clone in a 1 mill isk ship just feels wrong.


My proposal may sound unnecessrily complicated, but it's just to prevent players from ******* around in cheap clones and then quickly hopping in carriers.

engjin is right, lowering costs of clones is like lowering taxes in real life, it seems counterintuitive but the reality is it stimulates more growth in the market area affected. Lower cost clones mean more people will use original characters to pvp and thus, buy even more clones.

Even better, newer guys won't be so afraid to go out and pew abit themselves, making the isk sink EVEN BIGGER!

Blanket decrease to 4 hours would alter game play, because it would allow troops to move across New Eden much more freely than at present. But allowing two jumps every 48 hours would be a good solution. You could PvP just for an hour on a weekend, if you wanted to, without significant damage to your training schedule. And you wouldn't have to be sure that you would be available to come back after 24 hours to jump back into your training clone.