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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-02-12 20:14:54 UTC
My props for you Tippia, you haven't bean that clear before, explained very well what is mining and the impact of extra mining by guns.

The part about something worthwhile to defend is also an open door for more interaction between players as is also the very best start for new players while grinding the first skills before pew pew stuff and so, overall good for the game good for players old as new and overall good for CCP.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#42 - 2012-02-13 02:13:43 UTC
Wookie 1 wrote:
I can see the arguments for the removal of drone drops for minerals. However the economic repercussiosn would probably be severe. Lets not beat around the bush here, mining is, for most players, excruciatingly boring, seriously it is.

Thus I would argue that only people who actually like mining, mine. This I think is a good point, you will not get magically more miners to fill the gap, you will however see horrible, horrible sights on the market as you see the 10 ISk Trit.

People who currently mine may get more accounts to cash in, but not enough to get prices back to normality and even assuming botting suddenly makes a comeback in the field of mining you will still see no real economic improvement I would guess.


I guarantee, that as soon as a Hulk can start pulling in 30-40M ISK/hr of ore from hi-sec rocks, that people will start mining. The income will be too good not to do so and it would be competitive with running L4 missions. But that won't happen until hi-sec ores hit the 200-250 ISK/m3 range. Which would mean mineral prices of about double what they are now.

Maxed out Hulk pilot can pull about 111k m3 of ore per hour, without boosts. A more sensible setup (with a bit of tank) pulls 103k m3/hr, and a paranoid setup with a very good tank pulls 94k m3/hr. Orca bonus adds about 40% with T1 links and moderate skills, a maxed out Orca bonus is 56% (more?).

Traditionally, hi-sec ores have been as crappy as 60-75 ISK/m3 - or about 7-8M ISK/hr for the Hulk pilot. When ores were around 100 ISK/m3, the solo hulk pilot can earn about 10-11M ISK/hr. With ores at 120-130 ISK/m3 right now, that hulk pilot is only earning 13-14M ISK/hr. Which is not bad for a hulk pilot, but still not the 20-25M ISK/hr that you can get from L4 mission running (or the 40-75M ISK/hr from incursions).

So yes, if Tritanium hits 8-10 ISK/u (along with Pye at 8-10 ISK/u and Mex at 75-80 ISK/u and Isogen back at 120 ISK/u), then you'll see people go back to mining. Even out in the null-sec regions where mining income would start to become competitive with anom running and belt ratting. (ISK/m3 for the ABC null-sec ores would have to get up to 400-700 range, instead of their current - Croc 172 Bist 225 Ark 318.)
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#43 - 2012-02-13 02:25:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Scrapyard Bob
And according to Grismar's chart:
http://eve.grismar.net/ore/

In order to hit 200 ISK/m3 for ores, you would need:

Tritanium - 6.67 ISK/u
Pye - 11 ISK/u
Mex - 80 ISK/u
Isogen - 180 ISK/u
Nocx - 600 ISK/u
Zyd - 1500 ISK/u
Megacyte - 5500 ISK/u
Morphite - 8900 ISK/u

Which would make the ABCs worth:

Ark - 651 ISK/m3
Bist - 453 ISK/m3
Croc - 299 ISK/m3

(Hi-sec ores would be in the 190-240 ISK/m3 range. Nocx/Zyd would have to go up a bit more to raise Croc values. Or CCP needs to add minerals to the ABC ores, to give them a better refine value over the hi-sec ores.)
Pixxie Twilight
#44 - 2012-02-13 04:28:45 UTC
I've heard some opinion that the use of mining bots in Eve brings ore and ship values down. Is this no longer the case because of a combo of fewer players mining together with more ships being blown up? I don't have time to read all of the thread - I might've missed some of the cause effect arguments.

Most older MMOs suffer from deflation, so if Eve has the opposite going on, I suspect that's not necessarily a bad thing, depending of course on how severe the inflation gets. As a newer player, I make most of my money via trading so that my main can afford to lose ships, so far I'm having no trouble affording ships, and I've never bought plex.

Pixxie T
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Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#45 - 2012-02-13 04:47:27 UTC
Plex is increasing in cost due to an over demand and hardly any supply.

Ore prices are increasing due to increased jihaddist activities and hating on hi-sec miners.

Manufacturing has or will slump slightly because of the reduction in ore circulation.

Ice costs are constantly in flux due to ice interdiction ops by goons.

Incursions made hundreds of players multi-billionaires over the last few months and has resulted in allot of buying of allot of goods.

Everything else will get a knock on effect in terms of higher costs as a result of the above mentioned.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
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