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Lvl 4 missions: Upgrade from Tengu?
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H4rdstyler
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-02-11 15:22:54 UTC
Im currently running a Tengu with 1100 dps omni tank and 700 firepower. I do 4's at a decent pace, but Im looking to increase the pace.
My current plan was a Nightmare, but Ive been told that it doesnt shine in 4's alone, more in nullsec ratting areas.

So my question is now, what ship would excel more then a Tengu in 4's?
Wyte Ragnarok
#2 - 2012-02-11 15:35:32 UTC
Nightmare. Depends what you're fighting against. In Amarr space it's awesome, cuts through Sansha and Blood Raiders like a knife through hot butter. But against Guristas and Angels it sucks...
H4rdstyler
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-02-11 15:41:42 UTC
I am located in Amarr space, but ofc the occasional guristas/angel missions do come up..
SpaceSquirrels
#4 - 2012-02-11 15:47:05 UTC
mach
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#5 - 2012-02-11 17:18:48 UTC
TWO Tengus

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Katherine Starlight
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-02-11 18:14:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Katherine Starlight
Bumblefck wrote:
TWO Tengus

this, its a 100% increase in pace.

I once upon a time had a Kronos, officer web, MWD, 820+ DPS from guns alone, that beast both before and after the buff bests the tengu on lvl4s.
stoicfaux
#7 - 2012-02-11 18:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Mach, Vargur, Nightmare.

I don't recommend the Golem.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
H4rdstyler
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-02-11 19:24:39 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Mach, Vargur, Nightmare.

I don't recommend the Golem.


No, the Golem is out of the question, Im aware of that.
Its most likely gonna be a Nightmare, cause I live in Amarr space and Tengu shines with Kin dmg
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#9 - 2012-02-11 19:49:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
H4rdstyler wrote:
I am located in Amarr space, but ofc the occasional guristas/angel missions do come up..


Then use a Nightmare for the EM rats and a Tengu for the Guristas/Angels ones.

EDIT: BTW a Nightmare absolutely does shine in L4s. You will notice a close-to 100% increase in your effective DPS vs Sansha/Bloods and a good boost in EoM/Merc missions.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone
Ironworks Coalition
#10 - 2012-02-11 22:41:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Versuvius Marii
H4rdstyler wrote:
My current plan was a Nightmare, but Ive been told that it doesnt shine in 4's alone,

Someone's having a laugh with you mate. In Amarr space, those things are possibly the best thing to own. Yes, you'll need to have good cap management skills but that's the same with anything that can pump out 1000dps with good skills and some faction heat sinks.
It kills rats so quickly, you don't even need that much of a tank. Obviously you'll NEED a tank, but it needn't be stupidly tough because the rats won't be around long enough to be tanked.

And final point: yes. It's MORE than capable of flying solo.

The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong.
Kolya Medz
Kolya Inc.
#11 - 2012-02-12 05:31:36 UTC


1077 dps @ 45km or so (with lasor damage and turret damage implants)

Highs:
4 Tach IIs (W/ Navy Multi L)
smalltractor beam
Autotargeter II

Meds:
X-Large Shield booster II
Shield boost amp II
EM hardener x2
THermal hardener
Tracking comp II
Cap recharger II

Lows:
Navy Sinks x4
Tracking enhancer II

Rigs:
CCC I
CCC i
CCC II
H4rdstyler
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-02-12 10:47:07 UTC
Following that setup and my budget, i'd build this:

[Nightmare, DPS]
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II

Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II


Hammerhead II x5


Now the cap only lasts 2m 36s but I assume thats plenty, as youll only need a cycle here and there?
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone
Ironworks Coalition
#13 - 2012-02-12 15:19:50 UTC
H4rdstyler wrote:
Following that setup and my budget, i'd build this:

[Nightmare, DPS]
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink
Ammatar Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II

Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field
Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II


Hammerhead II x5


Now the cap only lasts 2m 36s but I assume thats plenty, as youll only need a cycle here and there?

You only really need a large repper, x-large is overkill. Also swap out the cap recharger for a cap booster and 800 charges - the way the Nightmare uses cap, that recharger doeesn't actually have much effect. Rats drop 800's all the time therefore will cost you nothing, and there's no reason to moan about carrying extra ammo as the Nightmare uses crystals which take up sod all space. You can get 20 charges in the cargo bay, as well as enough crystals to feed the 5000. If you somehow get through those 20 AND the five already loaded in the booster and still think you need more, you're doing it wrong.
And for that reason I'd say get rid of the T2 CCC, T1 will suffice. If you're still struggling then train moar. The Nightmare is a glorious ship and deserves to be trained up for properly.

The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong.
H4rdstyler
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2012-02-12 16:01:17 UTC
Ive made a new setup, slightly different, holds 1150 dps with a 1245 tank - Cap stable! So thats what Im going for. Its expensive, but its worth it..
But before all that, Ive gotta do 2 months of training to make sure I fly it properly.

Thanks for all the input that was serious :)
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone
Ironworks Coalition
#15 - 2012-02-12 16:28:24 UTC
H4rdstyler wrote:
Ive made a new setup, slightly different, holds 1150 dps with a 1245 tank - Cap stable! So thats what Im going for. Its expensive, but its worth it..
But before all that, Ive gotta do 2 months of training to make sure I fly it properly.

Thanks for all the input that was serious :)

It's people like you who I don't like helping - you don't listen. Cap stable Nightmare? Seriously? ;-;

The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong.
H4rdstyler
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-02-12 16:44:59 UTC
Versuvius Marii wrote:
H4rdstyler wrote:
Ive made a new setup, slightly different, holds 1150 dps with a 1245 tank - Cap stable! So thats what Im going for. Its expensive, but its worth it..
But before all that, Ive gotta do 2 months of training to make sure I fly it properly.

Thanks for all the input that was serious :)

It's people like you who I don't like helping - you don't listen. Cap stable Nightmare? Seriously? ;-;


My last ship loss came when I flew a non-stable ship, and due to my internet cutting out just that once at a unlucky time, I got killed and lost a 2.8 bil ship. In the simple fear of that, I pref running cap stable...
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#17 - 2012-02-12 18:03:09 UTC
Versuvius Marii wrote:
H4rdstyler wrote:
Ive made a new setup, slightly different, holds 1150 dps with a 1245 tank - Cap stable! So thats what Im going for. Its expensive, but its worth it..
But before all that, Ive gotta do 2 months of training to make sure I fly it properly.

Thanks for all the input that was serious :)

It's people like you who I don't like helping - you don't listen. Cap stable Nightmare? Seriously? ;-;



Arrogant much? You really think everyone has to take up all of your suggestions? Is it possible that they might have considered them and decided against them as, well, they don't think they're good for them?

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone
Ironworks Coalition
#18 - 2012-02-15 04:36:04 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Versuvius Marii wrote:
H4rdstyler wrote:
Ive made a new setup, slightly different, holds 1150 dps with a 1245 tank - Cap stable! So thats what Im going for. Its expensive, but its worth it..
But before all that, Ive gotta do 2 months of training to make sure I fly it properly.

Thanks for all the input that was serious :)

It's people like you who I don't like helping - you don't listen. Cap stable Nightmare? Seriously? ;-;



Arrogant much? You really think everyone has to take up all of your suggestions? Is it possible that they might have considered them and decided against them as, well, they don't think they're good for them?

And yet you don't call the OP on his own arrogance Roll there's no point asking for advice if you've already got the answer in your head, and are just waiting for people to come along and give you something that matches your thoughts.

The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong.
Cyzlaki
BRAWLS DEEP
HYPE-TRAIN
#19 - 2012-02-15 06:11:43 UTC
what's the best for guristas? mach? or does nightmate do the best?
stoicfaux
#20 - 2012-02-15 06:23:26 UTC
Cyzlaki wrote:
what's the best for guristas? mach? or does nightmate do the best?

Let's put it this way, the EHP of a Pith Eliminator (Guristas battleship) versus damage is:
* 100% Kin: 24,393
* Phased Plasma ammo: 27,827
* 100% Therm: 28,664
* 100% Expl: 35,306
* IN Multi: 36,789
* 100% EM: 47,058

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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