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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2012-02-14 00:21:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsus Zateki
I wonder where Prof. was thinking CCP should source this better server hardware that doesn't actually exist in the real world. They already run one of the most powerful server clusters in the world, in the only single sharded MMO of this size in the world using some of the most unique technologies that exist for this sort of project. No one else is running a system like CCP does.

It honestly appears that you have no idea how the node system actually works and why it isn't possible to just throw more hardware at it. While it may be possible to host every single system in Eve on its own blade this is massively wasteful on an unimaginable scale given that the vast majority of systems in game are underutilized. If a small handful of players need to be inconvenienced for an hour or so, so thousands more can have fun... well tough ****.

Get a degree in software or hardware engineering and figure something better out. The best minds in game software are already doing the best they can. TiDi is one of the best things that has happened to this game in years and I hope Hillmar bought lamborghinis for the developers that implemented it.

CCP should put together another dream team to work on client side framerate issues next. 1500 fleet battles are bloody epic... as long as you don't dare show brackets.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#122 - 2012-02-14 01:24:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
I wonder where Prof. was thinking CCP should source this better server hardware that doesn't actually exist in the real world. They already run one of the most powerful server clusters in the world,.



Oh only one of the most powerful server clusters in a world where nothing better actually excists , your logic confounds me, Surely it must be the most powerful then.

/edit check the first port of call for info on tranquiltity (Evelopedia), scroll to the bottom and you will see what capacity TQ could be capable of with this hardware that according to you doesn't even excist was implemented, oh wait it doesn't excist Roll

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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2012-02-14 02:31:55 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
I wonder where Prof. was thinking CCP should source this better server hardware that doesn't actually exist in the real world. They already run one of the most powerful server clusters in the world,.



Oh only one of the most powerful server clusters in a world where nothing better actually excists , your logic confounds me, Surely it must be the most powerful then.

/edit check the first port of call for info on tranquiltity (Evelopedia), scroll to the bottom and you will see what capacity TQ could be capable of with this hardware that according to you doesn't even excist was implemented, oh wait it doesn't excist Roll


You're becoming less and less coherent as you go. Either you're a brilliant troll or you're drinking.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#124 - 2012-02-14 02:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
I wonder where Prof. was thinking CCP should source this better server hardware that doesn't actually exist in the real world. They already run one of the most powerful server clusters in the world,.



Oh only one of the most powerful server clusters in a world where nothing better actually excists , your logic confounds me, Surely it must be the most powerful then.

/edit check the first port of call for info on tranquiltity (Evelopedia), scroll to the bottom and you will see what capacity TQ could be capable of with this hardware that according to you doesn't even excist was implemented, oh wait it doesn't excist Roll


You're becoming less and less coherent as you go. Either you're a brilliant troll or you're drinking.



Sorry you told me that no upgrades to TQ where possible as they ' don't actually excist in the real world', and I was laughing so much I must have found it hard to type a decent retort. Twisted

Finally I'm neither drunk nor as stated earlier a troll (if you believe I am please quote where I have insulted or posted just to deliberataly annoy anyone) but thanks for your concerns Blink

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Cyzlaki
BRAWLS DEEP
HYPE-TRAIN
#125 - 2012-02-14 05:15:22 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
I didn't say there wasn't a problem before, or that this hasn't improved. What I said was it isn't a very good solution to said problem if it STILL causes others problems.

TiDi is not a solution. It is a coping mechanism. The solution(s) are still being worked on. TiDi is just a stopgap for the interim.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#126 - 2012-02-14 06:51:49 UTC
I know I'm sure they'll arrive Soon(tm)

Also as I've made a little bit of a song and dance about this issue, I thought I'd continue in the same vein and do it again, well a song at least.

So based on this post be CCP Veritas

Quote:
there are 75 systems on that node today.


I humbly present

Alphies Ode to Tidi , feel free to sing along you'll know the tune and the words are pretty simple

Ahem

74 systems of lag for you all
74 systems of laaaag
1 fleet fight
they go on all night
74 systems of lag for you all

148 systems of lag for you all
148 systems of laaaag
2 fleet fights
they go on all night
148 systems of lag for you all

222 systmes of lag for you all
222 systmes of laaaag
3 fleet fights
they go on all night
222 systems of lag for you all

296 systmes of lag for you all
296 systmes of laaaag
4 fleet fights
they go on all night
296 systems of lag for you all

Blink

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#127 - 2012-02-14 06:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Quote:
TiDi is not a solution. It is a coping mechanism. The solution(s) are still being worked on. TiDi is just a stopgap for the interim.

Quite correct.

TiDi is certainly not the perfect, ultimate solution... but that doesn't change the fact that it has improved everyone's game experience tremendously.

That goes for the people that would crash in a fleet battle as well as the people who would crash in another system on the same node as that battle.

If CCP had announced they had won the war on lag, and this was the final solution, I'd be right there with you Prof.

But they didn't, and took great pains to let us know that this was the quick and dirty solution they could implement now to make things better in the short run while they work on a better one.

However, even tremendously increasing the amount of hardware available, or dynamically shifting a battle onto a separate reinforced super node, will not solve the problem either. That would only be a stop gap until we upped the ante again with even larger engagements.

When this (inevitably) happens, at least TiDi is now in place to ease our collective pain.

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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#128 - 2012-02-14 07:14:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
I understand what your saying ranger, though I feel the 'before you would have crashed' arguement is a little overepresented considering people actually rarely engaged in these activities cos EVERYBODY lagged and crashed out.

Now massive fleet fights are possible , if they prolifirate then so will the nasty side effects of TiDi (as represented by my musical efforts) , how much ? we don't know , How many combatents does it take to trigger TiDi ? I'm not sure

What if null sec tactics where to change because of this and as people have more perception and awarness during engaments , the blob effect becomes less popular and enemies start spreading these massive fights over multiple systems at a time, large pockets across half a dozen systems, the lag side effects would be huge on non participants.

No one can see the future.

Another possible/probable side effect of this development decision opens up a whole other can of worms concerning the viability of trying to sync an intentinally out of sync server with another for the purposes of DUST. Shocked

Whole other subject I know (would also be interested how they intend to beta this DUST, what are they going to use as there 'beta' EVE)

The succses of any MMO is never gauranteed, it only take a few bad decisions to bring the whole house of cards crashing down, now I'm not saying it's tinfoil hat time, but with the DUST gamble further complicated and the mid to long term impact of Tidi unknown, it could be a rocky ride for CCP

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Zleon Leigh
#129 - 2012-02-14 09:15:08 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Translation of all this:

TiDi really does help large fleet battles which I would hoped it would. The old way was a big big problem...

BUT

Everyone else playing who is inconvienced... Tough, suck it up or quit...your game time isn't valued by many in the EVE community...

Who ever said life is fair???


And there we have it - Everyone but the large fleet battle ragers should quit EVE.

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#130 - 2012-02-17 17:08:06 UTC
I don't know what the actual hardware is that is running EVE.

I do have over 30 years experience of working with large IBM Mainframes. I have seen boxes running the current flavor of MVS, OS/390, z/OS, etc, service 30K users from Alaska to Florida giving each use sub second response time for everyone. With the current offerings of Mainframes which are really Enterprise Servers, I wonder if such an animal could do the job for EVE. On an ES you can run MVS, AIX, Windows, any OS out there and the current Storage Platforms out there in an Mainframe/Distributed System Data Center are very powerful.

Anyone else out there familiar with what I am talking about?
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#131 - 2012-02-17 17:13:58 UTC
CCP is kinda like apple...

Apple makes crap and people just can't pay enough for it.

Here people go OMG LAG AS A FEATURE!
DO WANT.

rofl wtf?

Look I aint been in TIDI yet... so hell I could be wrong but...

Running 10% speed gives ya o idk... 10x as long to do things?



O and all you people saying blah blah... can't get the hardware.

One "word"

JITA

Cause all the buying, selling, pvp, locking, ships, bots doing market stuff... etc etc... with 1800 in local can run FINE right?

O right we come down to... the game can not trasnfer load from a node to another.... rather than working that out... CCP just decided to make lag a feature.