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Fully agree.
(no insurance, you broke it, you buy it)
I also think that larget ships should have a longer SD timer....

I would also like to see no self destruct.

Still need to be able to keep the "kill yourself as a pod" - on a large timer so nobody can scram you and hold you in space for hours with nowhere to go. -That would be funny however.

+1 support either way though.

The reasons that you are complaining about SD is its intended purpose - to deny loot/km! Self destruct is working as intended. The guy who dies is still out a big-ass expensive ship, for Christ's sake. That's the reason that it IS WORKING.

No reason to change what isn't broken. I'm sorry you lost the kill, but you lost it through a tactic that is completely valid and there for THAT PURPOSE ALONE.

hmmm disagree with this motion for several reasons.

Fist this is suppose to be as real as possible to space/planet life in the future. in every movie, show, attribute of history that deals with a captain. a ship has always had a self destruct application. This attribute is meant to do just that. give the aggressor no ability to have the kill or the loot. I say one should be lucky you dont get hit by the shock wave of a ships explosion in eve online.

to call something an exploit as i see some of you do is not only false but not factual. captains of past history scuttle their ships rather then have the vessel or its cargo fall into enemy hands.

I say if you dont want a self destruct then we do the below attribute as a simple compromise.


the captain must push the self destruct button before he/she ship goes into 55% hull. if at 50% hull the destruct sequence is deactivated due to the ships computer being shut down. You need 5 seconds to activate and go through the motions. weapons and other attributes are still working. The other side of this coin of getting this feature is an explosion radius. Ships that explode now can do dps damage. the percentage of this damage should be based upon several factors. the size of the ship. what type of power output it has as well as rigs and modules it is using.

This to my understanding would be a compromise to the many who wish to have self destruct not working in a combat situation and those who see it as apart of space life and should always be working. even though it is apart facts and apart of human history.

Indeed, the ship is still dead, so what's the problem with generating a mail for it? All the current mechanic does is obscure history to avoid pilot embarrassment. And what is EVE but the history the players generate? The game is pretty content-free otherwise.

Also consider this: with self destruct in the game as it is, if an enemy engages you, they think they have enough force to crush you in less than 120 seconds. If self destruct generated a record, they'd be much more willing to engage with more even odds and you might actually save that big expensive ship more often.

This.
Don't forget the interaction of self-destruct and skill loss for T3 ships. Removing the pilot's choice to self-destuct to save his skills would be sad.

lol @ self destruct nerf... soo many sci fi films ive seen would be **** compared to the alternative if there wasnt self destruct...

scuttling your ship is a long held military decision any captain of something valuable should have. it makes sense on a military and RP standpoint!

even so... all u crybabies out there wanting your lil killmails or so callec 'jew gold' for jumping into a fleet for 5 minutes and bridging or cynoing into a system... bring more guys! make friend with people and bring them too!

plus omg... who hasnt heard of fraps or the phrase "fraps or it didnt happen"??
i couldnt give a rats ass about a killmail if i took a super out... id much rather have a vid to post in every forum i know about the supercap death. if ur not frapsing a supercap death (be it a killmail or a suicide) then ur doing it wrong or ur just fuckin lazy, and if its the latter then u deserve no bragging rights if he self destructs b4 u kill him.

bt it sounds soooo much like the people who have the problem with the self destruct button are the people concerned with improving their kb efficiency to make up for ****** pilot skills in one 10-15 minute show of co-operation and force.

a super killmail isnt a badge to show ur pro, its just a sign that you'll jump onto an opportunity thats gifted to you as and when it suits you. and when ur too much of a "skilled" PVPer to actually get that little link to the righteous killmail, u come onto here to ***** and moan.

bravo.

I have to disagree with this view point it should be at the choice of the player if they want to be able to self destruct during an engagement. Removal of this option would make the self destruct command nearly useless for there would be few other reasons to use it.

You are not guaranteed the rights to a kill unless you can successfully make the kill. This would be about as bad as how players of fps games like Call of Duty complained they only got the assist for a kill when putting a player in to final stand and not the points for the kill itself.

if you do not finish off the kill you do not deserve the kill mail or the rights to it.

The self destruct should remain in place.

One reason for it is so that if someone is being a massive ****, and is clearly going to kill you, but won't, he can't hold you there for the entire day.

Imagine if there wasn't a self destruct option. People would grief by just holding someone tackled forever. This is augmented by the new logoff mechanics.

So no. There should always be a self destruct option available.

However, I do agree that a killmail should still generate.