EVE General Discussion

You're confusing “is” with “supposed to be”.

…and yet you provide ample evidence that it is, and even argue that it should be. That makes a whole lot of sense.

…except for one thing: EVE has this thing called force multipliers, and the main thing that having numbers lets you do is add force multipliers (and force to be multiplied too, of course). If you bring a fleet of one thing in massive numbers, it will die horribly because it is incredibly vulnerable to those force multipliers. This is because the game operates on a paper-scissors-rock kind of balancing.

There are a few ships that sit outside of this balancing, though, and you apparently think this is a good thing…

Indeed it is. The problem comes when its lack of counters — its being outside of the balancing structure of the game — means that “a few people” cannot turn the tables using strategy and tactics because the (lack of) balance prohibits it for absolutely no good reason whatsoever.

Of course it would be fair, especially if the big fish is stupid, predictable and monolithic.

The only thing broken about this game is the losing side's ambition and attitude. The bigger fish were small at some point and smart enough to not take on so many losses to allow then to become bigger fish. Which requires far more effort than jumping into low sec and setting some bpos to manufacture a few ships. And this force multiplier you speak of, why are there whelp fleets, alpha doctrine fleets, and lol drake fleets? So much for that. Guess it does come down to numbers. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for startegy and tactics being able to turn the tables in a given situation but if it can't, find another one and keep trying until you do find one. If not, take the simple route and bring more firepower or join the winning team.

We know. See how that works? If you can't argue people's points, just stop posting… ok?

…except that you're missing the point, even though you manage to provide so many examples of it yourself.

…which is why they aren't really being touched and why the Drake is, in fact, getting buffed last we heard.

…aside from them not having any hard counters, and aside from them falling into the N+1 category, both of which means they're unfair and unbalanced by very definition.

You mean like everything up to the very last step (which doesn't require all that much either) for a supercap? So yeah… no, “as opposed to” isn't quite the right word there — “just like” is probably what you're looking for.

Also, “all that goes into fielding them” is actually not all that much, since it's such a safe investment, but more to the point — again — cost is not a balancing factor so what goes into them is utterly irrelevant and doesn't for a second excuse them not falling in line with the balancing that applies to everything else in the game.

Fixed. They seemingly think that just because they have ground their way to a big ship, they should be exempt from having any kind of intelligence or skill or having to apply even a modicum of effort — it should aaall be from from there on.

It's that attitude and lack of ambition that should mean they die. Horribly. Repeatedly. No matter what silly ship they're in. Unfortunately, the game protects them from their own lack of ambition and their own complacent attitude.

…and if they had to keep using those smarts, that would be fine. Since they don't, it's just a race to the top, at which point smarts no longer matter and the runners-up have lost forever. This is bad game design. It's the kind of design you see in a levelling system, not in a game such as EVE, where choices have consequences.

Because the other side is too stupid to bring force multipliers, so there is no need for it. Funnily enough, all of those fleets are very susceptible to force multipliers…

No you're not. You're for there being a “best ship” because it took “effort” and “cost” to get there. That's is the exact opposite.

I agree with Surge Roth, most of the super capital nerf cryers are doing this because it benefits them.

They don't want to be able to think outside the box or use stragedy and tactics other than mindless blobbing.


They don't care if you put money, time, and effort in getting your supercap.

They want to spit upon what effort you put it so they can play the game with ease and get easy kills.

Super capitals require a support fleet to be any use.

Titans cannot hit moving subcaps by themselves, they require a subcap fleet to pin them down.

AB Tengus can easily be instapopped by a group of battleships.



I don't really like supercaps myself, but this incessant whining and crying for nerfs has gotten to the point of baby crying.


This is the comprehensive mindset of the current whiners:


"Oh he killed me with a titan, NERF TITANS, Oh he killed me with a Tengu, NERF TENGUS, he killed me with a Drake, NERF DRAKES, he killed me with a Hurricane, NERF HURRICANES, he kileld me with X, NERF X!!!.




Stop whining about the supercapitals and shoot the subcapital fleet that's supporting them. Then those supers are just sitting ducks since they can't hit you.

Just one problem: thinking outside the box isn't applicable because the mechanics ensure that there is no “outside” to think about.

…because none of that matters for making it balanced. What matters is them having hard counters — the one thing they lack.

Irrelevant. Cost is not a factor. Oh, and the sub cap fleets need support as well.

…which will buff it quite drastically.

Except for when it comes to stuff like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5aR0OK7MXE.
I'm sure there are other areas in the game where their shields stay at 27-30 percent and taking away the shield resists will make them pop in those situations. But people like you wouldn't care. So the drakes gains some more dps which will make it more effective at blobbing, but because they are in a blob, the dps increase will go unnoticed.

Even if the drake is compensated for, it still doesn't make up for the fact that what was once possible now is not. And that, is a swift kick in the balls for the poor sap who had nothing to do with a bunch of selfish whiny people who want things their way. As for the topic, I still firmly believe titans are ok. I wouldn't want to fly one, but they should be all powerful considering what they are and how much effort it takes to get one flying properly.

Seriously, I thought they would stop bitching after Crucible, but they just came back ten times worse moaning and bitching even harder.

They won't stop bitching until EVERYTHING in the game has been nerfed and "balanced" to them.

When titans get their guns nerfed, they'll whine and ***** even more about how OP jump bridges and doomsdays are.

When those get nerfed they will ***** about how it has so many hitpoints.

You are all just a bunch of whiny little crybabies.

The gist of eve is this. Some people might have to manually turn on and off a module here and there. Maybe double click in some space. There are other ships out there that do this faster than 40 minutes too. Just as easily.