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To Kill a Falcon
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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#1 - 2012-02-10 09:41:37 UTC
What would be the best option to kill a falcon, besides another Falcon to counter it. Will ECCM work when a Falcon tries to jam you ? Or is it all about the skills the Falcon pilot has ?

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Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#2 - 2012-02-10 09:56:30 UTC
Alpha ships are best to counter ECM, all you need is one Jam cycle to miss and they go pop.

Remember Faclons have like no tank.

ECCM works some of the time, so an alpha BS like a tempest with 1400s and an ECCM module or two shoud instapop a Falcon really.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#3 - 2012-02-10 10:30:32 UTC
Was thinking about a cloaked T3, sneak up behind it, double eccm on, and dps. Or same with a Pilgrim and set drones to it. Read something about FOF and Smartbombs....... but a bit risky in empire space Twisted. Also read about a tackler and drones assisting it.

Wondering if two ECCM wil be enough...

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Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#4 - 2012-02-10 10:33:59 UTC
Those things are ways of dealing with it, but its just as simple to volley it with an ECCM/SEBO tempest.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#5 - 2012-02-10 10:43:19 UTC
Range issues ?

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Twisted Girl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-02-10 11:31:33 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Alpha ships are best to counter ECM, all you need is one Jam cycle to miss and they go pop.

Remember Faclons have like no tank.

ECCM works some of the time, so an alpha BS like a tempest with 1400s and an ECCM module or two shoud instapop a Falcon really.

this...other suggestions simply sounded too complicated and time consuming.

any Long range alpha bs will do tho(apoc/geddon ect work well aswell)

or just jump in a titan/super and laught at him and then kill him.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#7 - 2012-02-10 11:35:14 UTC
OK Ready. I'm going to win this thread.

2 Falcons.



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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#8 - 2012-02-10 11:37:18 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
.....another Falcon to counter it.....
You didn't win P One or more of the same can always help a lot with similar skills..

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Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#9 - 2012-02-10 11:52:12 UTC
But in all honesty if your in a small gang and you make close range book marks before you land on grid popping in and out of the fight can really make a ECM pilot waste both time and jam cycles. And if your the aggressor and going for them try to be all in the same race(also not minmatar) as most falcon pilots buy default use racial james in multiple flavors and skimp on gallente.

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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#10 - 2012-02-10 13:18:24 UTC
In Empire space you have a lot of station "wars". Then I just dock/undock...... Most ships are close range pvp. So would be nice to have a sniper ship cloaked somewhere or a cloaked ship moving towards the falcons.

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Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#11 - 2012-02-10 15:43:50 UTC
Alpha, damps and ECCM are the best counters. Killed quite a few falcons with an alpha nado, on undocks.

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Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#12 - 2012-02-10 16:07:13 UTC
fofs, hump falcon, press f1
Jones Bones
Battle Toad Brigade
Ribbit.
#13 - 2012-02-10 16:22:53 UTC
FoF
Curse with Neuts
Anything with Damps
Alpha
DPS

They really aren't that hard to kill, and even easier to chase away.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#14 - 2012-02-10 17:00:33 UTC
Alpha Mach > ALL

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#15 - 2012-02-10 17:12:52 UTC
Sneaking up on them isn't easy when there's a fight on. If you just run into it, like as part of a gate camp, your best bet will be high alpha ships getting past the jamming.

If you have time to plan, a cloaky ship is certainly a lot more fun. I've done this several times, decloaking a few km away from a target and tackling them before they could align out. Then it's just a matter of resisting their jams long enough to kill them.

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Commander Spurty
#16 - 2012-02-10 18:24:37 UTC
100% success, more ships than he has ECM for.

1 v 1 take a rook and pray for luck

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And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-02-10 19:21:43 UTC
A few tricks that seem to work for us:

1) Fly all one race, as most falcons fit some combination of all four racial jammers. Even if it's Minmatar, they'll just have 2 jammers instead of 1 and you don't give up any capability (except maybe a lach if you need one) by flying pure Minmatar.

2) Every ship with a drone bay should be using ECM drones. Put them on the falcon. If there is no falcon, they also work great on scimis, carriers, huginns, and other major force multipliers. Keep in mind that some support pilots will anticipate this and fit smartbombs.

3) Primary the falcon first. If it's at range have an interceptor go out there and shoo it away (nine times out of ten they'll jam the 'ceptor and warp off, but gone is gone)

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#18 - 2012-02-10 19:24:25 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
sYnc Vir wrote:
Alpha Mach > ALL
Our guys have been popping Falcons pretty regularly with alpha Tornados.

BTW, these Tier 3 BCs have been great assets in fights and easy targets as well. Adds lots of variety to low sec. Well done CCP.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#19 - 2012-02-10 19:31:17 UTC
Pick one of the following:

ArtyNado
ArtyBal
ArtyMach
ArtyMael
ArtyCane
ArtyMuninn

Yup.

Damp Lachs might work okay, too.

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Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-02-10 23:40:01 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Alpha Mach > ALL
Our guys have been popping Falcons pretty regularly with alpha Tornados.

BTW, these Tier 3 BCs have been great assets in fights and easy targets as well. Adds lots of variety to low sec. Well done CCP.


Alpha nado. BS alpha damage with BC lock speed.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper
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