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Getting some pew without wrecking my business

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Gronn Oneye
#1 - 2012-02-10 02:20:04 UTC
I want to jump into some pvp and get my feet wet, put some kills/losses on my record, but my character is dependant on his squaky clean faction and npc corp standings to make a living. I would like to avoid making an alt for pvp since I do already have plenty of ship skill training and managing more than one account sounds like more trouble than I would want anyway. Where is the best place for me to go do this?

I know that faction war is out of the question since that causes a big hit to one's faction standings. I am not sure if having negative sec status applies similar effects, but I would need at the very least to be able to move things around empire so being outlaw status won't work either. Nullsec seems to offer a happy medium where I can shoot without loosing sec status, but that leaves me quite far from my places of business so I would have to do a good deal of jump clone hopping to stay afloat.

Any helpful tips or suggestions other than "just make an alt," would be appreciated.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-02-10 02:43:07 UTC
How much sec status can you afford to lose? IIRC you can still go anywhere with -2 sec status without being attacked by anything. As long as you stay above that, you should be fine.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#3 - 2012-02-10 16:05:16 UTC
You will only lose sec status in low sec and as mentioned above you can enter any sec level system with -2 or above and with the fast talk skill you can repair that faster. No faction standing will be lost so that won't affect you.

You can repair your sec status with ratting in low sec while you're looking for fights or just running missions against the pirate factions in high sec.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#4 - 2012-02-10 16:20:16 UTC
For the distance issue, jump clones. Setup a jump clone in your mission hub with what you view as necessary mission implants. Leave also the necessary mission ships. This may include, but is not limited to your main mission ship, salvager, hauler, and a crap mission or travel ship if necessary.

Your pvp clone should have bare minimal implants. I tend to use +3 attribute ones and that is it. Your pvp clone would be the one going to be stationed in nul, low, or your pvp staging area.

As for getting combat... Faction warfare should only impact standing if you run missions. Otherwise it would be similar to war deccing a lot of corps at once. An alternative is the Red vs Blur corps. They are two corps perpetually at war with each other. They have some rules you must play by, but the rules are not harsh or overly restrictive. They also rend to favor t1 frigates and cruisers, making pvp less costly. If not, nul would be a good option with jump clones.
Jones Bones
Battle Toad Brigade
Ribbit.
#5 - 2012-02-10 16:51:20 UTC
FW, and fighting FW, ruins your standings. I don't think this character will ever go back to Caldari or Amarr high sec.

I would suggest RvB.
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#6 - 2012-02-10 16:51:55 UTC
Actually, you won't lose faction standings in FW from pvp. The only ways to lose faction standings are to kill that faction's npc's, fail a mission or gain faction standings with an enemy faction (ie storyline missions). In short, faction standing can only be lost or gained through pve. You will lose corp standings if you kill someone in an npc corp but if your personal standings with an agent are still good and your faction standings are fine, you can still use all your current agents.

The only standing joining FW will hurt is your corp standings with the opposing militia's npc corp. You will lose standing with them every time you kill an enemy ship (or maybe just pods, I don't remember tbh), even if they are in a player FW corp. However, since all FW missions are anti-faction, I suspect you have little interest in them and it would look doubly bad if you switched sides all the time. That said, it's super easy to recover those standings should you ever decide to do so.

Your real problem with joining FW is that you become a war target in high sec as well. In addition, you will be unable to mission effectively in the opposing side's space as long as you are in the militia. You can come and go as you please as a corp or an individual but the changes don't take effect till dt each day. My alt corp hops in and out as needed while this toon is in full time. As long as you stick with one side, no one will think anything of it.

The other issue you'll have is with no combat record you will be marked as a spy. People don't like to fly with people they know nothing about. So you will likely have to prove yourself before you get invited to any sort of fleet. The easiest way to make a name for yourself is to run around capping minor plex's. These are restricted to t1 frigates and destroyers. Give it an hour and someone will undoubtedly come in and take a shot at you. You will want a faction frig though. Nothing terribly shiny, a simple t2 fitted navy frig will do. Straight t1 frigs and cruisers are basically unused. They just aren't competitive. Dessies aren't bad these days though.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-02-10 18:10:31 UTC
WH Roaming?
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#8 - 2012-02-10 19:35:14 UTC
King Rothgar wrote:
Actually, you won't lose faction standings in FW from pvp. The only ways to lose faction standings are to kill that faction's npc's, fail a mission or gain faction standings with an enemy faction (ie storyline missions). In short, faction standing can only be lost or gained through pve. You will lose corp standings if you kill someone in an npc corp but if your personal standings with an agent are still good and your faction standings are fine, you can still use all your current agents.

The only standing joining FW will hurt is your corp standings with the opposing militia's npc corp. You will lose standing with them every time you kill an enemy ship (or maybe just pods, I don't remember tbh), even if they are in a player FW corp. However, since all FW missions are anti-faction, I suspect you have little interest in them and it would look doubly bad if you switched sides all the time. That said, it's super easy to recover those standings should you ever decide to do so.

Your real problem with joining FW is that you become a war target in high sec as well. In addition, you will be unable to mission effectively in the opposing side's space as long as you are in the militia. You can come and go as you please as a corp or an individual but the changes don't take effect till dt each day. My alt corp hops in and out as needed while this toon is in full time. As long as you stick with one side, no one will think anything of it.

The other issue you'll have is with no combat record you will be marked as a spy. People don't like to fly with people they know nothing about. So you will likely have to prove yourself before you get invited to any sort of fleet. The easiest way to make a name for yourself is to run around capping minor plex's. These are restricted to t1 frigates and destroyers. Give it an hour and someone will undoubtedly come in and take a shot at you. You will want a faction frig though. Nothing terribly shiny, a simple t2 fitted navy frig will do. Straight t1 frigs and cruisers are basically unused. They just aren't competitive. Dessies aren't bad these days though.


The dude speaketh true. Even if you aren't in a particular militia, hanging around the militia warzones is a good idea for decent PvP.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
#9 - 2012-02-10 21:28:30 UTC
Just go to low sec and wait for someone to shoot you. Super easy.

Keep it simple with t1 frigs and cruisers and you're pretty much guaranteed to score action in most any area.

Worse case scenario : you're bored, juicy target on d-scan, you jump the guy, score crim aggro and kill him. You'll loose a max of 0.25 sec status ( usually alot less ). So you pretty much go from 3.0 to 2.75. As long as you don't pod anyone the hit is a joke, a mission or 3 will fix it.

I don't ever recall getting hit with a faction penalty for shooting anyone. I'm no expert but I dont think it happens. You only get a security status hit for low sec combat and for the most part negligible.

Null and w space are also options but you're more likely to run into larger groups. It's not easy but i still manage to score decent 1 v 1 pvp action in low sec so I'd say you're better off there.

Have fun, good hunting.

** Note : Be a tiny bit fussy with choosing targets. Kill Rights happen if you blast someone and they don't shoot back. Either you alpha them or they panic. Not a huge deal but a pain in the butt to be looking over your shoulder in high sec for a month.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#10 - 2012-02-10 21:37:31 UTC
Declare war on people. You don't lose any sec status at all. Also wormholes.
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-10 21:38:05 UTC
Standings aside, vengeful targets might also cause your business trouble with ganks and wardecs. While you've stated that alts aren't something you're all that interested in, they're essential to segregating your money making ops from your PvP life. In your case, you might consider starting an alt not to pvp, but to take over your business operations.

Bokononist

 

george harries
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-02-10 23:23:24 UTC
^ what he said - I actually set up an alt purely for PvP - doesn't take long to train decent frig skills and as the character has only one aim you can get into decent fights and cruisers up pretty damn fast.

I would agree taking your main into PvP is very iffy - losing your 1bn + mission ship or hauler full of production to someone with Kill Rights on you is gonna be REALLY annoying - so if you can separate the functions - or keep a carefull eye on the kill rights and those in system when you are not PvP ready. Yeah - you can be ganked anytime - but people do use locators to track down KR's and finding you in a shiny mission ship would make their year!!!
Soporo
#13 - 2012-02-11 03:24:47 UTC
Don't listen to the alt-ers! Do everything with your one character if you want, a lot of people (all 3 of us) still do. 3-4 Jump Clones are about mandatory, though.

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. - H.L. Mencken

King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#14 - 2012-02-11 04:04:57 UTC
Indeed, you want a clone for your slave set, your talisman set, your crystal set and your +5 set for when you're out of town.Lol Seriously though, most people pvp on their mains I think. Alts are for hauling and other random tasks you just can't be bothered to train your main to do. People only get kill rights on you GCC on them. Shoot an outlaw or anyone who shoots you first and you don't have to worry about such things. Ditto for war targets.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]

Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#15 - 2012-02-11 04:13:15 UTC
Confirming that RvB is prob your best bet. Making a hauling alt would prob be so useful, you might wonder why you didn't do it earlier tho.

Solo Rifter since 2009

Del DelVechio
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#16 - 2012-02-13 19:07:12 UTC
RvB lets everyone in, especially spies. Try it out. It might work for you.

Del
drdxie
#17 - 2012-02-13 19:37:11 UTC
I would say it depends on your business. If your main business involves leaving a station and you do any of the above, you will be wardec'd most of the time. Best is to get an alt going and to start with maybe RVB, you can have great fun in a Low skilled toon using frigs in RVB.

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277

OldMan Gana
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-02-13 22:21:38 UTC  |  Edited by: OldMan Gana
Well mate, if it's standings concerns and all the rest then there's only one option- Get a jump clone down to the Curse region. Specifically Doril-Jorund-Hemin-RMOC-K-QWHE area. Do what you like- shoot what you like and no standings issues.

Curse is probably the most dangerous area of EVE, Full of nasties all looking to smack someone- someone to pod, It's merciless, it truly is the wild west, one hint of hesitation or weakness and your on the wrong side of a kill mail.
Survive in Curse and you'll be able to survive and fight anywhere.

Love United- Hate Glazer

Richard Bong
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-02-17 04:51:47 UTC
NPC 0.0, there you go I just solved your standings issue. Or just go to RvB or one of the other Empire PvP corps they seem to be having fun.

[ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting!

Aggressive Nutmeg
#20 - 2012-02-17 06:08:39 UTC
Having Alts is more fun - and preferably on separate accounts.

I'm trying to get one of my characters down to -10 as we speak. I want to see if I can use a proper pirate (permanently RED, not pansy YELLOW) fulltime in hisec.

If I did this on an Industrial, my income would be screwed.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.

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