Intergalactic Summit

Do you have any sources to cite for this?

Inhonores has the gist of it. I'm sure both the Empire and Federation will realize soon enough who the real threat is.

Many Amarrians seem to forget that it was the Federation which funded, supplied, trained, and instigated the Matari rebellion after Vak A'tioth. The Matari have always been wild and aggressive, but manageable....they have only proven dangerous when organized and pointed in the same direction by their outside puppet-masters in the Federation.

There will be a reckoning between the Empire and Federation eventually, of this we can all be sure.

And I've already noted that netiher side is entirely blameless; the Republic and the Empire are at war, Captain Blake, and nobody is without fault in war. For the sake of accuracy, however, I have to point out that the Republic doesn't enslave the prisoners they take.

The sad fact of the matter is, peace will probably never be possible, until the Empire shows that they can be honest about their intent. I mean, seriously, Captain Blake -- the Matari are patient (almost to a fault), but we're not stupid, and we can tell when we're being led down the proverbial garden path.

If you want to make inroads towards peace, I suggest you get your house in order. Take care of the illegal slave raids that still occur in Republic space. Prove to us that you're sincere about stopping illegal raiding parties.

It won't magically solve the problem, but it would give us at least the impression that you can be trusted to commit yourself to the peace process.

A cyclic and often fruitless debate.





You are ? I am not sure that a lot of Minmatars share your views on this. Besides this, this is irrelevant as a declaration of war says the exact contrary, even if it was not the case before. But again, the people of Matar choosed to depose Midular in favor of conservatives and the use of the gallente financial help to fund war, which basically makes this claim hypocritical.



Pots and kettles. I have seen the same in Amarrian space happening, by Minmatar, Gallente, and even Caldari forces. And I can state that this is the same between all these factions, having worked for most of them, mainly consisting of hypocritical blackops raids that are supposedly not sanctionned by their commissioners.



The Empire has absolutely nothing to prove to an outside attacker, theorically, much as any civilization will have nothing to prove to someone trying to invade it. Maybe it was the opposite in the past, maybe the ball was in the Amarrian side before this war, but now it is in the Republic side. Also, the Republic consciously choosed war.

You should really work to change the minds in the Republic, much like Amarrian progressists try the same thing in the Empire, instead of trying to prove yourself even more apologetic than some Amarrians roaming on this public venue. I perfectly know that you admit the mistakes done by the Republic, but that does not make your claims less out of place than they are.

Also, it is interesting to note that treaties and agreements on joint efforts would benefit from a stable peace, or at least, a cease fire, to happen, which will hardly be the case now. A Midular supporter said to me once that the Republic shot itself in the foot by funding this wasteful war (with gallentean money), which only caused millions deaths on both sides and several attempts of genocides, and generated even more hatred than there was.


Edit : I must add that the Republic is somehow at least a little the victim caught between two forces, being the Amarr Empire and the Elders, the latter being actually the ones to assault Yulai and the Empire. They put the Republic in a disastrous position and actually left them no real choice on what to do next. The true enemy of the Republic might not be the Empire, even if this little thought is to take with a whole spoon of salt.

If you consider the Empress freeing millions of slaves to be us leading you up the garden path, then you clearly have no idea what a garden is. Or a path.

And as I've been saying for a long time, that's a very good start. Now back it up with more.

The Empire, in my experience, is really good with 'starting', but not so keen on the follow-through. That's what I mean by 'leading us up the garden path' -- to our admittedly-jaded eyes, that kind of thing plays out like something designed to get us to 'shut up and go away' for a while. Something that you can pat us on the head about and say 'Look at us! We're reforming!' without actually committing to any reforms.

If you want us to take you seriously, stop treating us like fools.

And Kithrus, I fully agree that this isn't hoing to be solved overnight. What disappoints me about our dealings with the Empire is that I've seen very little serious interest on your government's part in solving it at all.

The fledgling Republic all but buckled under the strain of the 9th Gen emancipation, of which only a fraction actually chose to return "home" .. where would the remainder be "settled" now that the proud Thukker have had their space expropriated for the purpose due to there being no room (or no willing neighbours) elsewhere?

Last I heard a majority of the influx have still to get further than the internment camps set up by The Tyrant Shakor to protect the community at large from potential pro-peace/pro-Amarr refugee such as the now deceased cleric Abel Jarek.

The limited scope of the initial emancipation is really a testament to the benevolence of Her Imperial Majesty, as she no doubt foresaw the burden that a possible massive increase in population could be for a nation already teetering on the brink of civil unrest, such as the Republic.
That is probably the only "good" thing The Tyrant has achieved, by judicious use of the iron fist of the Brutor and the dissolution of Parliament he managed to keep the Republic from collapsing in on itself.
Personally not of the belief that a dictatorship is preferable, but judging by the number of poor souls who follow the decrees oozing out of Pator it may just be what the Minmatar peoples were destined for .. to be under a thumb .. guess it is alright as long as the illusion of 'freedom' is intact.

PS: The last 'quip' was not random, but based on observation. One of my first acts as executor of the Yoshida Estate was to set all slaves free and offering them honest pay, for honest work .. doing the exact same thing they did as slaves in my late father's time.
Profits went up, efficiency went up, individual productivity went up and running costs plummeted .. all in all, the illusion of freedom has made my slaves employees better for the estate than the Caldari specialists I had on temporarily during the transition period.

I think it was promised to do something about it, not to end it. No one can promise that. It's like saying, "I promise to end crime." You can mitigate it, sure, but making all crime cease is impossible. Same goes for illegal raids.

They say "Time heals all wounds", and those with revenge in their hearts will maintain the inflammation. The cycle of violence begets more violence, which in turn demands retribution until billions are dead and no one remembers what they were fighting for. The Amarr and Minmatar people are trapped in this dysfunctional, abusive relationship that neither seem too intent upon ending. If there's one nice thing I can say about CONCORD, it's probably the only force preventing either side from annihilating the other.

And while I can certainly empathize with the Minmatar resentment of the Amarr for keeping their people in bondage, I find this blind subservience to the cause of violent liberation as slavish behavior. They are not your people. You are not responsible for them, and you can choose to lead a prosperous life for yourselves. Perpetuating the cycle of violence by lifting a gun to die for your fellow people, or risk thousands of crew for freedom, is just as much a downfall for the cause. Have you considered for a moment, that perhaps those in bondage would get some satisfaction in knowing that at least their siblings or loved ones lived a robust and prosperous life rather than dying on the battlefield trying to save them?

And the Amarr people, who know fully the repercussions of their behavior, choose to perpetuate this cycle in the name of their God. There's not much else to say about this that hasn't been said, but you certainly know how it stops.

Asking paramilitary organizations, whose sole purpose is fighting for their nation, to offer a creative solution other than bloodshed is folly. It's not capsule pilots who are going to end this war, but leaders with the vision to see diplomacy beyond the point of a barrel of a gun.

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That is where the illusion comes into play, on paper and in their minds they can indeed leave whenever and to where ever the choose, but between work-schedules, carefully managed salaries and tweaking the pricing of the goods sold to them it is possible for me to insure that such action is a practical impossibility.
It was after conferring with my sister, Hirana Yoshida, that the decision was made and it was based on the experience and knowledge she acquired living in the State .. the Caldari worker is among the most obedient and productive in the cluster largely due to clever social-engineering by the corporations.

I have never been a spokes-woman for the Praetoria, so what you say is a little over reaching me'thinks. As for domination and exploitation .. all I have done is maximize efficiency according to Caldari models, changing the "Made in Amarr" collars for the one "Made in the State/Republic/Federation".
Slavery in the modern day Empire has more in common with regular 'gainful employ' than most people realise or would care to admit, the biggest difference is really the title of the charges within the system; Slave vs. Indentured Servant/Employee/Hired Hand.

At least "Slavery" is honest as to intent/purpose .. think about it.

Which is why I found it necessary to bring in temporary workers to fill the gaps during the transition period. It is worth it though, the additional expenses were covered just three months after the process had finished thanks to the surprisingly large increase in productivity.