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Greetings MD Forum!

I am here to negotiate the acquisition of more capital so that I may launch my grand scheme to get rich in EVE and begin generating ISK much faster than I have been able to in the past. I haven't posted in MD too much (once or twice? Not sure) but I'm on the forums quite a bit. Should you have any questions about what I am planning, or would like more information, please don't hesitate to either send me a message OR post here on the forums. I have no need to be vague (except about a few small details, as I will note) so if I forgot something, please let me know.

Who am I, and who is it that is requesting this loan?

I am Tidurious. I am requesting this loan/investment (to type less, I'll call it a loan) myself; it is not associated with my corporation, as I will be dropping this corporation and forming a new corporation (Name Suggestions?). The new corporation will consist of myself with the extra two alts on this account, a friend I know IRL and his two alts on that account, and that is it.

What do I want to do?

I'm glad that you asked: I have currently made all the preparations to set up a POS in hisec for research and copying. I am confident that I have identified a valuable niche where, with the right start-up capital and some time to get started, profit can be made. I have already purchased the POS and all arrays needed. I also have approximately an 8-months supply of fuel blocks, and I can anchor the POS where I want to (standings are good).

Myself, my friend, and our associated alts wish to start work with certain BPOs - initially we will perform a bit of research with said BPOs, and then we will be working with copying them and selling associated sets of researched BPCs to manufacturers. The initial BPO purchase will be approximately 15-16B ISK (depending on who has one available on that given day, it is a number of BPOs, and hence the possible price variation).

With ourselves and our alts, we should be able to keep the POS going at all times, and there would also be the option of expanding to a second POS once the kinks are worked out. That will boost profits more by doubling output, once the alts are finished training to run enough copy/research slots.

Because at least one of the alts has manufacturing skills, remaining CPU/Powergrid from the POS would be used for small manufacturing, such as ammunition made from minerals from L4 missions and/or mining ops between us.

How will I minimize risk?

I will not admit anyone into the corp whom I don't know IRL. Period. Additionally, BPOs would only ever be transported in the un-scannable corp hangar in an orca, and the Scientific Networking skill would be used to keep the BPOs out of the corp pos. If a war is declared, decshield or a similar service would be used to keep the POS out of harm's way. This should be a fairly low-risk operation.

What am I asking for?

I need a minimum total investment of approximately 16 Billion ISK - this is for the purchase of the BPOs themselves. I already have everything else covered.

However, I will accept up to a 20B investment. Why? This will allow me to open up a second POS right away without having to wait for the first few rounds of sales. This will halve the time it will take to make the first sale and produce profits quicker.

What am I offering?

I am offering a long-term investment that I believe, once started, will make a steady income. The items that I am interested in will not be very subjective to market fluctuations and should retain value in the long term. I also believe that the chance that this will fail to turn a profit is very slim.

I am essentially offering "Shares" of this venture. For the security of the BPOs, I will not let anyone buy shares of the corp itself. However, as each sale is made, your percentage of shares will be the amount of profit that you receive.
Because I have no interest in having 500 shareholders if I don't absolutely have to, I am starting shares at 1 Billion ISK each, and I am offering 20 shares at this time.

I have offers so far from two investors who I contacted before this post was made. As I have not asked them if they would like to be named publicly, I invite them to let me know if they would like to be named publicly. So, the list currently stands at:

Unnamed 1 - 1 Billion ISK
Unnamed 2 - 3 Billion ISK

That means that 16 Billion is still available to be invested. I have been in discussion with another player about an investment in the 10 Billion range, but am waiting to hear back.

Reserved to answer questions

I appreciate your input. I never claimed to find a "new" niche, but a PROFITABLE one - there is a difference. I believe that I CAN turn a profit, but I know that EVE is always full of doubt.

Yes, perhaps I could start small and work my way up. But as they also say in EVE, your second billion comes a LOT faster than the first, and so on. If I can get a leg up and move towards something better without having to take every tiny step, then I will.

Best of luck to you as well.

Taken from this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67663&find=unread



So, you say that you yourself gave away 10B last week and made 15B back since then, and that the game has become boring to you; however, you still don't want to risk 1B (which you should be able to make back in a day, if you choose)? That doesn't make sense to me. However, I have no problem with that. Everyone is free to play the game as they choose.

Yes, this is a minimum 16B and maximum 20B loan/investment; however, with players running around with 100+ Billion in their wallets, I guess I'm looking for someone willing to take a risk with less than 1% of their wallet.. If you don't care to invest, others (hopefully) will. I have 4 Billion pledged at the moment, and I'm looking for more.

Yes, I could go back and forth and back and forth, but I'll never have the loan history of Chribba, nor do I have the interest in dicking around for as long as it would take to form the "loan history" that would be required for a 20B ISK loan to not be trolled and/or flamed to death. In that amount of time, which would take a year or more, I could probably make the required ISK and not need the loan anymore. For those of you who are going to tell me that I should just do that, don't bother. I'm already working there, I'm looking for a boost up.

I appreciate the constructive comments, papamike :)

That is an interesting idea - however, one of my thoughts on keeping the BPOs safe was to keep them in an NPC station, which cannot be attacked even if the corp is wardecced. The reasoning behind this was to protect the BPOs in case we are wardecced and I or my friend happen to be out for the weekend. The tower isn't too expensive; the BPOs are, and I'd hate to chance it, especially since I've posted on MD publicly that I want to do work with expensive BPOs.

If anyone has ideas about how to secure this better (no, I don't have 20B collateral...) don't hesitate to let me know.

A quick look through your posting history and one can see various claims made by you.

How you are rich enough to have passive income streams, you do bulk trading, you run lvl 4's if you feel like it.

If this is true then why do you need the money for this. Use some of your 3-4B ISK you always hold lying around.



Also if you have all this cash, have the skills, and the standings you won't mind setting up your character on eve-board then, and having a quick audit to show that you have cash and lots of trades?

The question becomes - who to trust? Should I have the actual investors join the corp? I don't believe they would be willing to leave their own for a small (for someone with LOTS of ISK) investment. Who else would you suggest? I'm not saying that it is a bad idea.

What 'corporation' would manage the POS, etc then? Also, can you lock down BPOs in an NPC hangar? I know you can in a POS, but I've not read much about within an NPC hangar. Your idea is interesting, if you know more, could you please enlighten me?

If you don't know how to lock BPOs down, you have absolutely no business running an investment of this size.

BTW: The information you ask for is easy to find through google.

If you're interested, I have a proposition for you.

20b loan for you @ 4.5%, with a 2b isk deposit from you. I'd waive the first months interest, to give you enough time to research the BPO's. (So long as the loan is lasts 3 months+) If you ever need to expand, I can fund that as well so long as it is collateralized. If you total amount goes above 30b I'd be willing to re-negotiate the interest rate as well.

To secure it all I'd throw in an alt as CEO of the corporation with all the shares, hand out all your characters director so you can run the venture as needed. I would purchase and lock down all the necessary BPO's.

We can talk more details if you are interested, let me know.
Grendell ♥

1) There are no such things as NPC hangars.

2) If you don't understand how to run corporations (or can't figure out that my first post was actually a helpful answer), you're destined for failure.

3) Research is your Friend

4) Your original plan was "Ohh, look at me, aren't I a pretty little scammer, please give me all your Iskies" (I'm paraphrasing, of course).