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Do you feel that CCP should listen to the CSM more, less, or the same amount?
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Fractals 4Lyfe
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-02-09 20:41:38 UTC
Given the CSM's role in bringing CCP back on track with a renewed focus on internet spaceships after the disastrous Incarna expansion, I feel that the CSM has gone through a "trial by fire" and proven their worth as a source of advice. I would move that CCP should pay more attention to what the CSM would like, perhaps even to the point of allowing the CSM to dictate development priorities.

I'm sure this is going to bring in a lot of trolls shouting "GOON," but for those who legitimately care about Eve, I want you to consider the success of the Crucible expansion before you badpost. The CSM, as a group, actually do care about this game, even Mittens, whatever you think of him. Why not let the people who perhaps care most and have shown their competence (perhaps more than CCP sometimes :D) have more influence?
thetwilitehour
Caldari Provisions
#2 - 2012-02-09 20:43:48 UTC
Yeah that makes sense. Wait is this serious or are you trolling?
Amy Elteam
No Bull Ships
#3 - 2012-02-09 20:45:08 UTC
The CSM has hardly been infallible, however they have been far better at understanding the game.
Fractals 4Lyfe
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-02-09 20:48:05 UTC
thetwilitehour wrote:
Yeah that makes sense. Wait is this serious or are you trolling?


I'm being actually serious. We all know what :ccp: can be like sometimes, and I'm sure every player has had a moment where they went "Damn, I could have done this better! What's wrong with CCP?"

I want to hear what others think about this.
Hrald
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2012-02-09 20:56:03 UTC
CCP's issue was not giving enough attention to their bread and butter. CCP is a company and so it wasn't just the CSM bringing them back on track, it was the cancelled subscriptions and open criticism of the playerbase that got CCP listening to the CSM finally.

Money speaks far, far, FAR louder than nerds on the internet saying a bunch of words.
ViperLok
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-02-09 20:58:05 UTC
I think that might be Fractals' point. CCP wasn't paying enough attention to their bread and butter. Maybe if they did, through the CSM, they wouldn't need cancelled subscriptions to tell them when they've messed up.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-02-09 20:58:33 UTC
I'd say the current level of attention that CCP gives the CSM, going by the results of Crucible, are just right.
ViperLok
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-02-09 22:14:55 UTC
I never gave my opinion, really, but I would go so far as to say that the CSM should have their own mini dev team to work on stuff.
Sullivar N
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-02-09 23:22:05 UTC
The question is entirely academic I suppose. CCP doesn't have a set "level" of how much they trust and/or listen to the CSM. That being said, CCP should listen to the CSM more, scaling up in proportion to how accurately the CSM represents the playerbase.
None ofthe Above
#10 - 2012-02-10 06:23:27 UTC
The CSM is an elected focus group or advisory board.

CCP would be wise to listen to it (at least as much as it has been at late), as well as try its best to get direct feedback from the player base.

They would also be wise to watch how the CSM manages to get elected. Mass trollings and dirty tricks undermine the credibility of the CSM. (One of the reasons I don't think I will actually be running, although was seriously considering it.)

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None ofthe Above
#11 - 2012-02-10 06:26:43 UTC
ViperLok wrote:
I think that might be Fractals' point. CCP wasn't paying enough attention to their bread and butter. Maybe if they did, through the CSM, they wouldn't need cancelled subscriptions to tell them when they've messed up.


Hrald wrote:
CCP's issue was not giving enough attention to their bread and butter. CCP is a company and so it wasn't just the CSM bringing them back on track, it was the cancelled subscriptions and open criticism of the playerbase that got CCP listening to the CSM finally.

Money speaks far, far, FAR louder than nerds on the internet saying a bunch of words.


Goon and Dreddit sharing talking points?

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Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-02-10 06:47:23 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
ViperLok wrote:
I think that might be Fractals' point. CCP wasn't paying enough attention to their bread and butter. Maybe if they did, through the CSM, they wouldn't need cancelled subscriptions to tell them when they've messed up.


Hrald wrote:
CCP's issue was not giving enough attention to their bread and butter. CCP is a company and so it wasn't just the CSM bringing them back on track, it was the cancelled subscriptions and open criticism of the playerbase that got CCP listening to the CSM finally.

Money speaks far, far, FAR louder than nerds on the internet saying a bunch of words.


Goon and Dreddit sharing talking points?


Nah, I think they both independently invented the expression ''bread and butter''

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-02-10 09:05:21 UTC
I hear bread without butter is a sad tale indeed.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#14 - 2012-02-10 10:00:52 UTC
CFC and pets propaganda Lol

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#15 - 2012-02-10 11:13:54 UTC
Aw a goon with heart. Maybe I should read the bible and go to church.

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Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-02-10 13:20:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
The final say should be with CCP, it's their game.

How much they listen to the CSM is up to them.

I'm sure if the CSM come up with good ideas or relay good ideas then they'll probably be listened to. That does not mean it will necessarily be implemented of course.