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Question: Dual-rep frigates?
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Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-02-09 16:31:38 UTC
It occured to me that most frigates have neither the slot loadout or PG/CPU or cap to do this but I found a slight exception (haven't tested it yet but keen on thoughts)

Dual-rep frigates

Now you're probably thinking something along the lines of "what the f*ck" and making this face Straight but stick with me here.

[Enyo, Winter Dual Repper]
Damage Control II
Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Hobgoblin II x1

Prempting some of your complaints below:
- Faction small reps are cheap
- CN Antimatter can be used instead of Void for improved cap
- Ions instead of Neutrons to fit NOS
- Can use normal cap 200s but carry 400s too
- 2 x Aux nano pumps for cap, even though 1 nanobot gives better tank
- Yes if neuted you may DIAF much quicker

This thing requires at least a +2% PG implant


Some stats:

DPS: 260 / 295 OH
Speed: 823 / 1070 OH
Tank: 190 / 232 OH
Sig: 37m
Cap: Stable with navy 400s, couple mins with normal 200s

Now, add some skirmish / armored warfare links to this and it becomes fairly rediculous - with stats like the following:

Tank: 257 / 320 OH
Sig: 30.7
Speed: 916 / 1210 OH (more with implants)

This is the only ship i've played with like this, but I am keen to try it out.

Let me know if there are any flaws i'm totally missing.

TL;DR - Dual-repped Enyo, does it work or is it fail?
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Skorpynekomimi
#2 - 2012-02-09 16:35:05 UTC
What happens if you get neuted?

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Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-02-09 16:39:07 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
What happens if you get neuted?


I did actually mention that you might DIAF quicker if you get neuted.
Then again you do have a NOS and cap boosters, so you're probably better set than a lot of ships that get neuted.
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Lyrka Bloodberry
Spybeaver
#4 - 2012-02-09 16:41:26 UTC
Mr Bigwinky wrote:

TL;DR - Dual-repped Enyo, does it work or is it fail?


Why don't you just try it out and tell us?

Spybeaver
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-09 16:45:17 UTC
2/2 that haven't read the post and asked a question that has already been answered =/

First line of the post - "haven't tested it yet but keen on thoughts" - as in your thoughts, on the fit.

Replies with feedback would be appreciated
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Valoche Mrehl
Tactical Grace.
Vanguard.
#6 - 2012-02-09 16:51:07 UTC
Man. what a great idea.

Now if only there was an armor tanking assault frigate with cap less weapons and resist bonuses! P

*derp*
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-02-09 16:56:37 UTC
This ship you speak of, does it put out the same / better DPS?

Even with DPS rigs, the Vengeance does 2/3 of that DPS at best.
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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2012-02-09 17:02:11 UTC
:D

looks worth trying! Only time I've seen a dual rep frig was when it won a 30-40 ship frig free-for-all (last man standing), think it was an Amarr frig but whatever, that is a lot of reps against other frigs.

I'd swap the second nanobot for an explosive pump, almost the same omni reps, but a lot more in probable real situation.

Speed is the weak link, and without a web another AB frig might prove fatal.


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Ryder 3vyn
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-02-09 17:04:22 UTC
Lol @ forumites just now finding out about dual rep frigates.

FYI, super active tanked frigs have been boss 302 for quite a while now, especially when it comes to low-sec. Whether we're talking about a Medium Shield Boost Caldari frigate, a twin-repping auto boat, or a single rep + neut ship, they are the go-to for both 1. duelling other ships of the same class, and 2. fighting outnumbered, in say a 2 V 1 or 3 V 1 situation.

Really, this is far from unheard of.
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-02-09 17:13:31 UTC
Ryder 3vyn wrote:
Lol @ forumites just now finding out about dual rep frigates.

FYI, super active tanked frigs have been boss 302 for quite a while now, especially when it comes to low-sec. Whether we're talking about a Medium Shield Boost Caldari frigate, a twin-repping auto boat, or a single rep + neut ship, they are the go-to for both 1. duelling other ships of the same class, and 2. fighting outnumbered, in say a 2 V 1 or 3 V 1 situation.

Really, this is far from unheard of.

This is actually one of the most useful posts yet.

Shame it was written in an arrogant tone that makes you sound like a douchebag.
Actually, you being a douchebag made you sound like a douchebag.

Thanks for your input though.
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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2012-02-09 17:18:00 UTC
That's very cool, Ryder

You are probably also aware the Enyo didn't have the slots to pull that off before this new buff. I'd say his fit is rather new.

But yeah active tank is definitely the way to go in 1vs1s, I've flown Incursuses, Ishkurs and even a Comet with single rep+NOS.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#12 - 2012-02-09 17:55:10 UTC
Ryder 3vyn wrote:
Lol @ forumites just now finding out about dual rep frigates.

FYI, super active tanked frigs have been boss 302 for quite a while now, especially when it comes to low-sec. Whether we're talking about a Medium Shield Boost Caldari frigate, a twin-repping auto boat, or a single rep + neut ship, they are the go-to for both 1. duelling other ships of the same class, and 2. fighting outnumbered, in say a 2 V 1 or 3 V 1 situation.

Really, this is far from unheard of.


This is pretty much spot on. I don't like dual rep frigs because they don't overheat as well as single MSB frigs. I flew a dual rep vengeance last night (http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5266) but I don't think it was really a fair test of its abilities. Being triple webbed and hammered on from range by a Cane just isn't gonna work out well - ever.

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Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-02-09 18:15:33 UTC
Interesting idea, but a few comments:
I would try to get explosive resists up, as the frigate's deadliest enemy is the warrior 2. That can be done either with swapping the EANM, or one of the aux. nano pumps for an explosive hardener.
Is there some way to get a MWD on that fit? After all, assault frigs get a sig radius bonus to MWD's now, and my cane with no nano's has a speed of 1311m/s, and most things a frigate is capable of taking on solo are even faster than that. And from personal experience, being kited while in a frig is always annoying.
To go with the MWD, might it be better to run MWD+railguns, so that way you can kite your opponent?

-Arazel
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#14 - 2012-02-09 19:09:23 UTC
Arazel Chainfire wrote:
Interesting idea, but a few comments:
I would try to get explosive resists up, as the frigate's deadliest enemy is the warrior 2. That can be done either with swapping the EANM, or one of the aux. nano pumps for an explosive hardener.
Is there some way to get a MWD on that fit? After all, assault frigs get a sig radius bonus to MWD's now, and my cane with no nano's has a speed of 1311m/s, and most things a frigate is capable of taking on solo are even faster than that. And from personal experience, being kited while in a frig is always annoying.
To go with the MWD, might it be better to run MWD+railguns, so that way you can kite your opponent?

-Arazel



If your kiting, I would think dual rep would be redundant. Kiting is a "tank" unto itself. I more see multi rep as brawling. You have enough to worry about with cap/rep/OH without adding range dictation to the mix :)

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#15 - 2012-02-09 19:23:39 UTC
The idea is sound. The Enyo is probably not the best ship to try it on though. You give up alot of gank to set it up. The Enyo can achieve around 400 - 470 DPS with a little thought. 290ish pales in comparison. That's my personal preference though and I could see the use of a tanked Enyo. I just like the DPS too much... Lol
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#16 - 2012-02-09 19:32:50 UTC
They don't work well against high DPS (frigate) opponents even in simple dogfights.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#17 - 2012-02-09 19:48:47 UTC
Mr Bigwinky wrote:
This ship you speak of, does it put out the same / better DPS?

Even with DPS rigs, the Vengeance does 2/3 of that DPS at best.


EFT DPS mate.

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Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#18 - 2012-02-09 21:09:20 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
They don't work well against high DPS (frigate) opponents even in simple dogfights.


I dont know I have tanked a blaster enyo up close in my dual rep vengeance, couldn't keep him around though which is the major problem with them.

Having said that I have tanked a vexor, maller and rupture with neuts and webs long enough for the gang to arrive to finish them off so they have their uses.

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Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#19 - 2012-02-09 22:29:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahrieman
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
The idea is sound. The Enyo is probably not the best ship to try it on though. You give up alot of gank to set it up. The Enyo can achieve around 400 - 470 DPS with a little thought. 290ish pales in comparison. That's my personal preference though and I could see the use of a tanked Enyo. I just like the DPS too much... Lol


The other problem with th Enyo as you have it fitted is that Enyo with AB + scram will make it the slowest thing in space and anyone that wants to deaggress will be able to deaggress.

Vengeance is king of dual rep frigs, but I did fight a dual rep ishkur (post AF buff) tha was fairly impressive. Look at how much damage he tanked:

http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3362

Shocked

EDIT: Sorry link doesn't work. URL is correct though so cop and paste will work.

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Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-02-10 09:15:15 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Mr Bigwinky wrote:
This ship you speak of, does it put out the same / better DPS?

Even with DPS rigs, the Vengeance does 2/3 of that DPS at best.


EFT DPS mate.

In-game DPS mate

Inb4 boring discussion about DPS vs realistic DPS
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