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***Updated*** Silent Doger (Still playing) of Red Alliance admits to RMT
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Valei Khurelem
#41 - 2012-02-08 22:00:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
This is why I say you legalise bots so that everyone is on the same playing field, the tasks in EVE for ISK making are largely autonomous and boring, this would also eliminate the need to pay for ISK since why would people pay for something virtual that they no longer have to do any work for?

It's supply and demand folks, get over it, the game design is at fault here and people are simply choosing to ignore this fact.

p.s. Quitting to pursue a passion that will lead you to a career which you can enjoy far more and make money at the same time I can completely understand, but ditching a job in order to pursue a bloody video game is the most stupid thing I've ever heard

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-02-08 22:04:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Chiggy W wrote:
stuff

guess today is the day of 2nd hand content?

or did you just discover fhc & kugu and are so amazed you just have to share every thread you read there with us?

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Inzax
#43 - 2012-02-08 22:04:46 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#44 - 2012-02-08 22:18:35 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
This is why I say you legalise bots so that everyone is on the same playing field, the tasks in EVE for ISK making are largely autonomous and boring, this would also eliminate the need to pay for ISK since why would people pay for something virtual that they no longer have to do any work for?

It's supply and demand folks, get over it, the game design is at fault here and people are simply choosing to ignore this fact.

p.s. Quitting to pursue a passion that will lead you to a career which you can enjoy far more and make money at the same time I can completely understand, but ditching a job in order to pursue a bloody video game is the most stupid thing I've ever heard



I recall one of the earliest multiplayer games were all about using a bot of sorts - basically you used a robot to work some resources, and then battled in markets over that resource. I don't remember the name.

It would be cool to be able to select deep space points and put autonomous drones there to mine and whatever else, but also fun if anybody could destroy them, or NPCs were also out to destroy them. Destruction of autonomous drones being allowed everywhere would make for some interesting game.

Not that we could expect that here, but I can imagine an MMO where autonomy in bots, agents, henchmen, etc (whatever the style permits) being built in from the start could have a challenge on its own. Just saying but not much because that's another topic entirely.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
lilol' me
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#45 - 2012-02-08 22:21:10 UTC
im surprised tippia aint on here, denying it and asking for 'proof' and detailed logs and info... lol Saying that RMT doesnt happen lol
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#46 - 2012-02-08 22:27:02 UTC
lilol' me wrote:
im surprised tippia aint on here, denying it and asking for 'proof' and detailed logs and info... lol Saying that RMT doesnt happen lol
Why would I do that?
You're not making much sense… What?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#47 - 2012-02-08 22:31:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
lilol' me wrote:
im surprised tippia aint on here, denying it and asking for 'proof' and detailed logs and info... lol Saying that RMT doesnt happen lol



LOL. Can you please show the class exactly where Tippia has ever said RMT does not happen in EVE?
(Yes, I am asking you for proof.)

RMT is difficult to PROVE, and what has been presented in this thread is still not proof, but it could sure potentially lead to proof because CCP can follow the isk (if there is any) if they choose to.

:facepalm: I hope you never serve on a jury.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
lilol' me
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#48 - 2012-02-08 22:31:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
lilol' me wrote:
im surprised tippia aint on here, denying it and asking for 'proof' and detailed logs and info... lol Saying that RMT doesnt happen lol
Why would I do that?
You're not making much sense… What?


Now are you really going to make me copy and paste all your forum posts?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#49 - 2012-02-08 22:34:02 UTC
lilol' me wrote:
Now are you really going to make me copy and paste all your forum posts?
No, why would you do that?
It would suffice if you explained why I would do things that don't make sense, that I haven't done before, and that I have no reason for doing.
Ghoest
#50 - 2012-02-08 22:48:06 UTC
So is it safe to expect that hell be a CSM soon?

Wherever You Went - Here You Are
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-02-08 22:58:13 UTC
Nub Sauce wrote:
So he quit his job and decided it would be better to violate the ToS and assist in ruining the economy of a game that most of us enjoy. Because he couldn't handle working a job where's he's a worker bee that needs to take orders. Whaa whaa... that's most jobs in the world. HTFU?

Sounds childish to me. Can't say I sympathize. The vast majority of people have had to work at least one job that they hated just to pay the bills. It sucks, but that's what you do when you're an adult and have financial obligations. Find another job rather than crapping in everyone's sandbox.

I hope that CCP bans all involved.


(Empty quoting? Not here, good sir.)
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-02-08 22:59:11 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
It's supply and demand folks, get over it, the game design is at fault here and people are simply choosing to ignore this fact.

So.... what effect would 100% botting have on the economy, mr. wizard?

Roll

Demand here is also driven by people unwilling to put :effort: into anything, and wanting :gratification: w/o :effort:.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-02-08 23:06:29 UTC
lilol' me wrote:
Tippia wrote:
lilol' me wrote:
im surprised tippia aint on here, denying it and asking for 'proof' and detailed logs and info... lol Saying that RMT doesnt happen lol
Why would I do that?
You're not making much sense… What?


Now are you really going to make me copy and paste all your forum posts?


You sound butthurt, but you know,, a lot of Tippia's posts asking for proof of this and that are in cases where people really are pulling numbers and statistics out of their ass, or misrepresenting published data. You know, cases where it makes sense to do that. However, if there's a single person in EVE that seriously argues that RMT doesn't exist, the lol is on them. Its existence is a fact. Now, the issue of its prevalence is something else entirely and if someone started a crusade to ban all Russian alliances because allegedly they are all fueled by bots and RMT, this would be a good time to call BS and start asking for proof.
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-02-08 23:41:48 UTC
OMG I AM SO SURPRISED CALL CNN AND FOX NEWS NOAW!!

I have more space likes than you. 
Seatox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-02-09 00:07:57 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Valei Khurelem wrote:
This is why I say you legalise bots so that everyone is on the same playing field, the tasks in EVE for ISK making are largely autonomous and boring, this would also eliminate the need to pay for ISK since why would people pay for something virtual that they no longer have to do any work for?

It's supply and demand folks, get over it, the game design is at fault here and people are simply choosing to ignore this fact.

p.s. Quitting to pursue a passion that will lead you to a career which you can enjoy far more and make money at the same time I can completely understand, but ditching a job in order to pursue a bloody video game is the most stupid thing I've ever heard



I recall one of the earliest multiplayer games were all about using a bot of sorts - basically you used a robot to work some resources, and then battled in markets over that resource. I don't remember the name.

It would be cool to be able to select deep space points and put autonomous drones there to mine and whatever else, but also fun if anybody could destroy them, or NPCs were also out to destroy them. Destruction of autonomous drones being allowed everywhere would make for some interesting game.

Not that we could expect that here, but I can imagine an MMO where autonomy in bots, agents, henchmen, etc (whatever the style permits) being built in from the start could have a challenge on its own. Just saying but not much because that's another topic entirely.



M.U.L.E.
ApophisXP
Sadistic Retribution
Sadistic Empire
#56 - 2012-02-09 00:08:21 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
/Sits back with popcorn and a tasty beverage.

Mr Kidd wrote:
/me waits for the lack of CCP response and grabs some of Fury's popcorn.

/slurping a crystal pepsi waiting and watching...


Snatches some popcorn out of Mr Kidd's hands and start slurping all over Gogela's face...
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#57 - 2012-02-09 00:16:49 UTC
brings a bottle of red wine and steals some of those popcorn
Just Lilly
#58 - 2012-02-09 00:44:20 UTC
Pictures of the car he invested in from RMT please, I want to see that ride!

License plate on the car saying "RMT KING" ?, Caldari State plates? Blink
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Ejit
STD contractors
#59 - 2012-02-09 00:56:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ejit
Just Lilly wrote:
Pictures of the car he invested in from RMT please, I want to see that ride!

License plate on the car saying "RMT KING" ?, Caldari State plates? Blink


Would take 20 years to pay off his awesome Russian motor Or 6 months of RMT!
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#60 - 2012-02-09 01:11:26 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:

RMT is difficult to PROVE,


I can't buy into that idea...(see what I did there?).

Someone is marketing huge amounts of ISK on various Internet sites; that part is incontrovertible. This game is all about the database. And given that the RMT market for ISK works in specific amounts....tracking the movement of said amounts of ISK should not be that difficult. Time consuming? Labor intensive? Yep.........more than likely a manpower issue.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.