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Kelduum Revaan - Running for CSM7

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El 1974
Green Visstick High
#61 - 2012-02-09 19:28:49 UTC
Finally we have a heavy-weight non-0.0 candidate. Congratulations on passing 100 likes already. I hope you make chairman.
testobjekt
Goonswarm Federation Human Resources
#62 - 2012-02-09 19:33:40 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67950&find=unread

Will he accept the challenge or will he hide behind some bullshit?

I dont want to get a candidate that cant argue his point well before CCP. Maybe Kelduum cant debate well?

If he doesn't accept is a clear sign he is out of touch with us, the 99% percent.

His only campaing statement is that he has knowledge of the corp interface. Not the 99%!
Darian Reymont
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-02-09 19:48:45 UTC
Just to clarify a few things about the University as it seems some out of date information is being held against Kelduum:

Reppyk wrote:
Let's say I'm running for the CSM, and I'm known for my wardec experience (and for nothing else).

For example, I could make escorts, moving into lowsec, recruting PVP pilots in my alliance, giving tips to my corpmates like running lvl4 missions with several pilots and a pvp fit, etc. It's a sandbox, my only limit is my imagination.

We currently do all of these things. Smile

Reppyk wrote:
But instead, I'm telling my corpmates to stay docked, with a bunch of rules to "make the wardec very boring for the evil griefers".

We stopped doing this around four months ago.

Reppyk wrote:
I'm using an exploit to limit wardecs, and with time I convinced CCP that it should not be an exploit anymore.

I'd like to clarify that we didn't make us of any exploits until they were no longer deemed exploits by CCP. Personally I'm not a fan of the decshield, but likewise I have no issue with making the most of opportunities presented to you. If the wardec system is overhauled and decshields either become irrelevant or illegal, then we'll stop using one.

Reppyk wrote:
The only highsec pvp I'm willing to do is consensual, only one week and no podding and we can only fight here and here and not here and please don't hit my own POS I want it safe and blabla.

I'll assume that you're referring to our recent PvP events with RvB here, events that were not "wars" in the traditional sense but aimed at having some fun. Things like no podding were introduced to lower the risk factor and encourage more pilots to join in. We're currently engaged in a genuine wardec that features no such restrictions.

Hans Jageblitzen wrote:
why do you not just use the test server for this purpose??

We do indeed use the test server for some of our training, but it is not always a viable or even desirable option when you're dealing with very new players. For starters, requiring everybody to set up access to Sisi would be another barrier to entry for many new players trying EVE for the first time and, depending on the length between snapshots, a new player may not have the skills relevant to a particular class or event, if they even have a character available at all.

There are a lot of things about the University that aren't perfect. We're lumbered with systems and attitudes that have been built over many years and cannot easily be ripped out and thrown away, but we've made a lot of progress in the past six to twelve months with regards to offering a much more comprehensive education and greatly improved PvP training. We've opened NPC nullsec up to unistas, changed from NRDS to NBSI, completely re-written our WSOP to be far less restrictive, established a framework for small camps to be set up away from our home systems (including in low and null security space), restructured our internal PvP wing and worked hard with third party corporations to offer great training opportunities that we currently do not offer internally (including advanced PvP, wormholes and nullsec living).

The University as it stands now is a very different beast to that of a year ago. Kelduum has been absolutely integral to these reforms and I'm personally very excited about where the future will take us should he get a seat on the CSM.

Cheers. Smile

Former E-UNI Director, station pilot and snoob. https://twitter.com//DarianReymont

Levy Break
State War Academy
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-02-09 20:37:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Levy Break
I for one, applaud Kelduum for running. I spent a few months in E-UNI myself as a stepping stone between hi-sec carebearing and null-sec, well null-seccing (there's just a lot more going on out in null sec). I respect what E-UNI does, it's a much better alternative than becoming a low-sec pirate if you want PvP experience, it's more forgiving than just jumping into 0.0 headfirst, and it was a great place to help me plan what I wanted to train and basically learn to play the game.

As for what you should bring to the CSM, my vote's elsewhere (for obvious reasons), but of any hi-sec or low-sec candidate, I would probably trust you the most to have some semblance of an idea as to what's going on across the rest of EVE.

I was in E-UNI during war decs and let me be honest, losing ships is a part of EVE. Sheet happens, it's learning how to best deal with it that is part of the game. The game provides players with all the advantages and tools to deal with other players, it's up to how you use them. EVE is the best empire simulator I have ever played, and the null-sec alliances needn't be the only "superpowers" in the game. E-UNI is the closest thing to a nullsec alliance I ever saw in hisec, I mean, they operate like a nullsec alliance that doesn't hold sov, they just happen to be based in hisec. I guess the real problems with warsecs and ganking is getting caught on a battlefield that you don't want to be a part of. Well, what do you do when your country is invaded? You either get your army and fight back, submit, or flee elsewhere. EVE allows for all of these options! Even in hisec, you can fight back, you can roll over and die or plead for your life, and you can flee and just play the game off in another system. There are so many ways built into the game to make someone uncomfortable, and there are just as many ways to avoid that discomfort. For that, I applaud CCP. EVE appeals to greifers, PvPers, soloers, and industrialists, and gives me the option to do them all. I mean, how many games have people who are for hire to go rain on other people's parades? Not many. Not many. I don't suicide gank. It's just not my thing, It's too much effort for no easy-to-discern reward, but my friends have great stories of holding ships hostage and scamming people out of millions of ISK (in hisec, ofc. In nullsec they would have just blown it up and been on their merry way). I love that, space piracy being an option is just so cool. Life's hard enough for pirates as it is, it would seem, they have to abuse game mechanics just to get by. Players have an area in the game where people with good sec status are protected and where poor sec status are persecuted, but why is there no place where the reverse is true? Why is there no pirate faction concord for pirates to rely on in a pocket of space they can call home? All the NPC pirate factions have space of their own, but players can't really join them... perhaps they should iterate on that part of the game, who knows?

Anyways, back on topic, Kelduum, just listen to the rest of the CSM when they get elected, I'm fairly certain they'll be competent, and if they're not, why they simply won't achieve anything. You have to be balanced to be a good diplomat and when someone else knows better than you about something you just have to sit and listen, like mittens seemed to say. No CSM candidate should give input on every aspect of the game. If they have a stance on everything they're an uninformed ****, EVE is too large a game for someone to have a deep understanding of EVERY aspect of the game. Just preach what you know and I'm sure you'll do well Kelduum. As I said, you're probably the best chance hisec pubbies have at getting a semi-competent CSM rep.
Pyrion Garcia
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-02-09 22:06:04 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

You really should know that most PvP pilots in the game (everyone I've talked to in low, and null alike) considers EvE Uni kind of a joke in terms of combat training. I'm not saying that to be mean, its just something you should know, so you can adapt your training program to more closely simulate "realistic" combat situations. If you want to be taken seriously as an educational system, make sure your combat training program is actually respected by real combat pilots. Otherwise, you lead new players into a false sense that they actually are preparing themselves for life beyond high sec.


Well, AIUI the E-UNI is attempting to expose people to all aspects of the game, not just PVP. I'm sure like any organisation it's possible to slip through the cracks. Mittens investigated the uni a couple of months back and reported that he was happy that they weren't just churning out carebears.

If ones PvPing starts and ends in E-UNI then one won't be much of a combat pilot, on the other hand if you look over on their Work Fair, there are plenty of corps seeking to recruit from the E-UNI pool. I wouldn't call Agony or Adhocracy carebears (to pick a couple of examples beginning with A). So evidently your opinion isn't universal.

http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewforum.php?f=66
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#66 - 2012-02-09 22:21:40 UTC
Darian Reymont wrote:
We currently do all of these things. Smile
We stopped doing this around four months ago.
And in 4 months, tell me how many non-consensual wardecs you got ? 2 ?

Darian Reymont wrote:
I'd like to clarify that we didn't make us of any exploits until they were no longer deemed exploits by CCP. Personally I'm not a fan of the decshield, but likewise I have no issue with making the most of opportunities presented to you. If the wardec system is overhauled and decshields either become irrelevant or illegal, then we'll stop using one.
This is a lie. EVEuni used a decshield before the current one, got petitionned a few times, and a GM told you to stop using it (which you did). You can spin it like you want, but the fact remains that you used an exploit (even if you [or even CCP] didn't know it was one).


Darian Reymont wrote:
I'll assume that you're referring to our recent PvP events with RvB here, events that were not "wars" in the traditional sense but aimed at having some fun.
No, I was talking about the previous consensual wardec too (with Noir. and the Orphants ? Not sure) when your POS were hit and you cried a lot, begging them to stop.

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Darian Reymont
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-02-09 22:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Darian Reymont
Reppyk wrote:
And in 4 months, tell me how many non-consensual wardecs you got ? 2 ?

Yep.

Reppyk wrote:
This is a lie. EVEuni used a decshield before the current one, got petitionned a few times, and a GM told you to stop using it (which you did). You can spin it like you want, but the fact remains that you used an exploit (even if you [or even CCP] didn't know it was one).


Your "fact" is no less spin than mine, it's all down to interpretation. We didn't use the decshield during the time it was officially classed as an exploit, which is an important distinction. Should it be deemed an exploit by CCP again, we'll stop using it again.

Reppyk wrote:
No, I was talking about the previous consensual wardec too (with Noir. and the Orphants ? Not sure) when your POS were hit and you cried a lot, begging them to stop.


Yes, you seem to be referring to our no WSOP month when we wardecced a bunch of corps (including RvB and the Orphanage) and had lots of pew pew. RvB attacked our POS and the easiest way of saving it was to end the war early. It was simple protection of our assets, there was no crying or begging involved as we controlled the wardecs. We hardly had to beg to retract our own wardecs. P

Anyway this is somewhat off topic, I just wanted to set some stuff straight. Smile

Former E-UNI Director, station pilot and snoob. https://twitter.com//DarianReymont

Jinro ChuHi
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-02-09 23:57:37 UTC
Kelduum the glorious may not have all the answers but I think the CSM needs some balance. I'm tired of all the nullsec whiners on the CSM...vote hisec, vote now.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-02-10 00:03:35 UTC
Jinro ChuHi wrote:
Kelduum the glorious may not have all the answers but I think the CSM needs some balance. I'm tired of all the nullsec whiners on the CSM...vote hisec, vote now.

So just because he is running and not null sec, he should get the votes, even though you freely admit he doesn't have the answers???Roll

How about getting behind a high sec candidate that has put some reasonable suggestion on the table, as opposed to wanting to invent new Jesus feature mechanics instead of fixing the broken existing ones

Jinro ChuHi
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2012-02-10 00:29:39 UTC
Interesting candidate Jaegerblitzen; I agree on many points ... I'm not experienced to say one way or another on the FW or lowsec items. We should have a caucus or primary type of election for all of the non-nullsec candidates to select a front runner. I'm inclining toward Kelduum right now, just to let you know; primarily because I know what he's done for E-Uni and the 'newb' population of Eve, as a proven player and leader.
Juicy Chanlin
Doomheim
#71 - 2012-02-10 00:38:33 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
Just pointing another error that wasnt seen :

So, a few days ago I helped saving a tower (as a mercenary). I docked in the system, joined the corp, warped to the evil pilots and ganked them. "Warm up timers" ? 30s, and that's only because I didnt want to use an exploit.
It's a good thing that you're willing to deal with the wardec problem, because atm it's really ******. But dude, you made the dec shield. Your ideas will just make something even worst and exploitable.



Good For you m8te. However, he wasn't talking about joining the corp at war.. but rather a way for the corp that's at war, to hire a merc group to help them fight.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-02-10 02:24:13 UTC
Kelduum Revaan,

I would like to direct your attention to this thread, where I invite you to engage me in debate.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67950&find=unread
Thank you in advance!

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-02-10 14:24:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Kreul Intentions
Stay on topic

In his own campaign thread, Kelduum no longer responds. He's given that task to the University heirarchy.

What a candidate!

[b]Kreul Intentions
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-02-10 14:33:30 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Kreul Intentions
Stay on topic, the topic of Kelduum Revaan as a candidate running for CSM7

Kreul Intentions
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-02-10 14:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Everyone knows your real purpose ...

My purpose is twofold. First, for everyone to see what terrible ideas Kelduum would bring with him to the CSM. Mittani has pointed one of them out in this thread. Kelduum has created a thread for his terrible ideas over on the Features forum.

Second, to point out that he doesn't represent EVERYBODY, but rather the interests of only EVE University. It's fine if he wants to represent the E-Uni, but he should be honest about it. Stop pretending that he represents anybody at all, except for his corporation.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2012-02-10 15:10:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Everyone knows your real purpose ...

My purpose is twofold. First, for everyone to see what terrible ideas Kelduum would bring with him to the CSM. Mittani has pointed one of them out in this thread. Kelduum has created a thread for his terrible ideas over on the Features forum.

Second, to point out that he doesn't represent EVERYBODY, but rather the interests of only EVE University. It's fine if he wants to represent the E-Uni, but he should be honest about it. Stop pretending that he represents anybody at all, except for his corporation.


Seeing as you place so much stock in the Mittani, lets look at his views other than two people discussing an idea:

Views on Keldumm as a candidate:

The Mittani wrote:
Hisec elected Trebor in CSM6 and will likely elect both Trebor and Kelduum in CSM7. Usually the hisec reps are 'hey look, a girl on the internet' or someone from Eve-Uni.

Hisec has had no trouble getting reps on past CSMs; barring the Eve-Uni reps (good folks like Deidra Vaal) they have usually been comical and incompetent (Ankh, here's looking at you, kiddo). I'm quite fond of Trebor though, and support both him and Kelduum for CSM7 should they run.



his view specifically in responce to your trolling:

The Mittani wrote:
As for your fears of 'carebears' and your obsession with Eve-Uni, if I truly felt that they were spawning weakness and not teaching people how to PvP, I'd just wardec them myself. However, around the time of the dec-shield change, I investigated their practices and Kelduum is running a solid shop with lots of PvP training opportunities - and I expect to see him on CSM7, so get your tinfoil badposts ready.
Kelduum Revaan
The Ebon Hawk
#77 - 2012-02-10 15:11:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kelduum Revaan
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Kelduum Revaan,

I would like to direct your attention to this thread, where I invite you to engage me in debate.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67950&find=unread
Thank you in advance!


Challenge accepted!


On the subject of potential moderation, there's a possibility that some questions may have been 'mislaid' in the cleanups, so I'll check eve-search for them and address them later today, but keeping discussions on topic may be a good idea.

Also, I was starting to think that Poetic here had been banned from the forums for a while as the thread went a few hours without a post from him...
Miranda Etxebarria
Transgalactic Imports and Exports
#78 - 2012-02-10 17:58:11 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Everyone knows your real purpose ...

My purpose is twofold. First, for everyone to see what terrible ideas Kelduum would bring with him to the CSM. Mittani has pointed one of them out in this thread. Kelduum has created a thread for his terrible ideas over on the Features forum.

Second, to point out that he doesn't represent EVERYBODY, but rather the interests of only EVE University. It's fine if he wants to represent the E-Uni, but he should be honest about it. Stop pretending that he represents anybody at all, except for his corporation.


Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned
Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned.
Caldari Citizen 786478786
#79 - 2012-02-10 18:04:08 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
don't opine on things you don't understand


Oh, you mean like sperging your input on Wormhole space without knowing anything about Wormhole space? The Mittani a hypocrite? I'm shocked.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2012-02-10 18:23:45 UTC
Miranda Etxebarria wrote:

Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned
Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned.


Actually, it does make me wonder if Poetic has a silent middle name begining with 'M'. Roll