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Kelduum Revaan - Running for CSM7

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2012-02-12 20:20:59 UTC
Juicy Chanlin wrote:
Poetic, you still haven't answered my question from before.. Other then vote for me cause I'm a goon. What's Mittani's running platform? Cause out of the 15 pages. I haven't seen any suggestions for improvement in the game.
Have you not been paying attention for the last year? His agenda is to improve nullsec, and to ensure conflict remains in the game (by supporting or ridiculing the ideas of others.) With The Mittani in the chair, I can rest assured that if any other CSMer were to present an idea similar to Keld's SNA, they would be ripped a new one, and the proposal would die, unpresented. That is what The Mittani brings to the table.
Juicy Chanlin
Doomheim
#182 - 2012-02-12 20:21:33 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Darian Reymont wrote:
The only things students must do are related to ship restrictions ...
So the ship restrictions are still enforced? That was worst part of the WSOP. When I was in the Uni, I regularly ignored that rule. I flew my Iteron III to pick up my PI, I left fleets a few jumps early to head back to Hek alone. I flew alone to meet up with fleets. I did all that during war and never lost a ship doing it either (if I had, some director/officer would have lost their panties over it.) Why don't you just teach people to fly smart, rather than assuming everyone is an idiot? People learn from mistakes. You don't even give them an opportunity to make mistakes.



So.. you broke the rules.. even admit to it.. and you're pissed at the uni cause they booted you? interesting..


Last time I checked the uni reimburses people's losses.. So if that's not encouraging people to make mistakes.. then what is?
Brooson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#183 - 2012-02-12 20:21:35 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Brooson wrote:
They say that "those who can't, teach"

Because all the knowledge and experience in the world is best received at the end of a club... Roll

True fact;
The Navy's "Top Gun" Air Combat Maneuvering school is "taught" by the best fighter jocks in the service.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Strike_Fighter_Tactics_Instructor_program

So, that "truism" is anything but.

And, to put a >fine< point on it - if *anyone* doesn't like how the Uni teaches PVP - the Uni *does* allow outside people to come in and teach classes. But I suggest you bring plenty of instructors...Lol



Eve University is comparable to Top Gun, both institutions where you grow intimately attached to your wing-man.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#184 - 2012-02-12 20:23:41 UTC
Juicy Chanlin wrote:
Last time I checked the uni reimburses people's losses.. So if that's not encouraging people to make mistakes.. then what is?
They reimburse specific fleet losses, during war. Usually the mistake there is the FCs, not the individual pilots.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#185 - 2012-02-12 20:24:56 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
So, that I do not much like Kelduum or the University, does that make his idea all rainbows and lolliops suddenly? Of course not, it's still a crappy idea no matter my meta-game feelings towards Keld and the Uni. (I'm sure Keld in a very nice fellow in real-life.)

It isn't "opinion" - it's your stated goal, and of course not, I am not a fan of the "capture the flag" idea, but thanks for (trying to) put words in my mouth!

I keep harping on that because it casts a bit of light on your continued intransigence/bias against the Uni, and anything keld might put forward!

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Kelduum Revaan
The Ebon Hawk
#186 - 2012-02-12 20:24:59 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Q: Kelduum. You mention using wardecs to encourage fighting. We can assume that you completely discount psychological and economic factors as reasons for people to go to war? And if not, then how does your SNA proposal encourage psychological and economic warfare?


Nice attempt at a double-bind question there, Poetic. Do try harder though.
Juicy Chanlin
Doomheim
#187 - 2012-02-12 20:25:44 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Juicy Chanlin wrote:
Poetic, you still haven't answered my question from before.. Other then vote for me cause I'm a goon. What's Mittani's running platform? Cause out of the 15 pages. I haven't seen any suggestions for improvement in the game.
Have you not been paying attention for the last year? His agenda is to improve nullsec, and to ensure conflict remains in the game (by supporting or ridiculing the ideas of others.) With The Mittani in the chair, I can rest assured that if any other CSMer were to present an idea similar to Keld's SNA, they would be ripped a new one, and the proposal would die, unpresented. That is what The Mittani brings to the table.



No.. Unlike you.. I don't waste my time with politics in the game.. It's easy to say I want to improve this this and this. but without ideas, it's just as useless as bad ideas. Ridiculing someone else's idea is not helping anything.. There is a HUGE difference between CONSTRUCTIVE Criticism, (which by the way you fail to do) and ridiculing.

I can pick apart any idea no matter how great. It's easy to find faults. Much harder to generate ideas and solutions.
Juicy Chanlin
Doomheim
#188 - 2012-02-12 20:26:38 UTC
Brooson wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Brooson wrote:
They say that "those who can't, teach"

Because all the knowledge and experience in the world is best received at the end of a club... Roll

True fact;
The Navy's "Top Gun" Air Combat Maneuvering school is "taught" by the best fighter jocks in the service.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Strike_Fighter_Tactics_Instructor_program

So, that "truism" is anything but.

And, to put a >fine< point on it - if *anyone* doesn't like how the Uni teaches PVP - the Uni *does* allow outside people to come in and teach classes. But I suggest you bring plenty of instructors...Lol



Eve University is comparable to Top Gun, both institutions where you grow intimately attached to your wing-man.


And I assume there's no brotherhood in goon? it's each pilot out for themselves only?
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2012-02-12 20:28:37 UTC
Kelduum Revaan wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Q: Kelduum. You mention using wardecs to encourage fighting among interested parties. How does your SNA proposal encourage psychological and economic warfare?
Nice attempt at a double-bind question there, Poetic. Do try harder though.
Too hard a question? I'm sorry. I'll remove the middle bit.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#190 - 2012-02-12 20:32:48 UTC
Juicy Chanlin wrote:
No.. Unlike you.. I don't waste my time with politics in the game.. It's easy to say I want to improve this this and this. but without ideas, it's just as useless as bad ideas. Ridiculing someone else's idea is not helping anything.. There is a HUGE difference between CONSTRUCTIVE Criticism, (which by the way you fail to do) and ridiculing.

I can pick apart any idea no matter how great. It's easy to find faults. Much harder to generate ideas and solutions.

You're not making the case of Kelduum here. Kelduum has presented only a single fleshed out idea, and it was a bad idea. Which, as you say, is just as useless as no ideas. Deep in that brain of yours, you're already realizing Keld is a bad candidate, you're just not letting it out.

I'm not running for the CSM. I don't have to generate ideas. Kelduum is campaigning for a CSM slot. Generating good ideas is part of the CSM job. He's already shown a failing at being able to do that.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#191 - 2012-02-12 20:37:41 UTC
CSM delegates do not act as amateur game designers. Several past and present delegates have emphasized that point.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Prince Kobol
#192 - 2012-02-12 20:39:00 UTC
I hope Kelduum gets elected as I want to see if Poetic Stanziel explodes Big smile
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#193 - 2012-02-12 20:43:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Prince Kobol wrote:
I hope Kelduum gets elected as I want to see if Poetic Stanziel explodes Big smile
I would be surprised if he didn't get one of the last five positions. Now if he doesn't make the Fourteen, then I'm, of course, going to take most of the credit (along with Keld's ridiculous ideas, which helped as well.) Big smile
Darian Reymont
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#194 - 2012-02-12 20:45:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Darian Reymont
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Generating good ideas is part of the CSM job.

Is it? I thought the role of the CSM was to represent society interests to CCP, which is something Kelduum would excel at.

Isn't it the job of CCP to actually design the game?

EDIT: Beaten by Andski it seems.

Former E-UNI Director, station pilot and snoob. https://twitter.com//DarianReymont
Brooson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#195 - 2012-02-12 20:49:34 UTC
Juicy Chanlin wrote:
Brooson wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Brooson wrote:
They say that "those who can't, teach"

Because all the knowledge and experience in the world is best received at the end of a club... Roll

True fact;
The Navy's "Top Gun" Air Combat Maneuvering school is "taught" by the best fighter jocks in the service.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Strike_Fighter_Tactics_Instructor_program

So, that "truism" is anything but.

And, to put a >fine< point on it - if *anyone* doesn't like how the Uni teaches PVP - the Uni *does* allow outside people to come in and teach classes. But I suggest you bring plenty of instructors...Lol



Eve University is comparable to Top Gun, both institutions where you grow intimately attached to your wing-man.


And I assume there's no brotherhood in goon? it's each pilot out for themselves only?


We don't try to cover up homosexual relations by masquerading as brotherhoods. We accept all forms of love.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2012-02-12 20:50:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Darian Reymont wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Generating good ideas is part of the CSM job.

Is it? I thought the role of the CSM was to represent society interests to CCP, which is something Kelduum would excel at.

Isn't it the job of CCP to actually design the game?

CSM presents concerns of players to CCP. Some CSM members will present ideas on how to fix those issues. CCP will take those and either use them or trash them as they see fit.

CCP comes up with game design proposal, presents it to CSM. CSM offers their feedback on the proposal.

CSM isn't designing the game, but they are acting as a sounding board.

Case in point, read the most recent CSM Minutes (the December Summit), I believe the wardec section is on page 22. CCP presented their plan for war dec mechanic changes. The CSM offered their opinions. During the meeting, those proposed mechanics changed.

So, whereas the CSM is not actually designing the game (thank goodness), they do act as a sounding board for many of the mechanics in development.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#197 - 2012-02-12 20:59:00 UTC
Brooson wrote:
Eve University is comparable to Top Gun, both institutions where you grow intimately attached to your wing-man.

A) I GET IT! An unsubtle anti-gay joke!
B) Of course it's not comparable
C) Nice try...

I was just disproving the supposed "truism" you trotted out...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#198 - 2012-02-12 21:02:13 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
You're not making the case of Kelduum here. Kelduum has presented only a single fleshed out idea, and it was a bad idea. Which, as you say, is just as useless as no ideas. Deep in that brain of yours, you're already realizing Keld is a bad candidate, you're just not letting it out.

I'm not running for the CSM. I don't have to generate ideas. Kelduum is campaigning for a CSM slot. Generating good ideas is part of the CSM job. He's already shown a failing at being able to do that.

Roll
Your becoming pedantic...

CSM is a sounding board - Representing players to CCP and CCP to players. Get over it.....

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Prince Kobol
#199 - 2012-02-12 21:04:48 UTC
@Poetic Stanziel

I simply can believe how.. what is the word, addicted, fascinated, obsessed, fixated you are with somebody who plays a game..

I mean damn man/woman, let it go.

Seriously, you are like becoming the Eve version of Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction. I keep expecting Kelduum to post that he has found a boiled bunny floating outside the Eve Uni HQ
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#200 - 2012-02-12 22:09:50 UTC
ShipToaster wrote:
I originally made the claim not Poetic. Neither Kelduum nor Poetic were able to provide proof to either back up or repudiate my claim despite them both claiming it would be scriptable and thus easy for them to do.

As for the proof, I physically counted them and it was just over eight hundred who were over a year old. Both Kelduum and Poetic said they could automate this process to produce a replicable count method but neither did. Again, I invite both of them to do so.
They showed me some graphics a few months ago (I asked for the same thing). You should dig a bit on EVEO but you will find it.


And nice Kelduum, you dodged again my questions.

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