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Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7

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Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#521 - 2012-03-02 20:46:04 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:


One of the advantages I will bring to CSM 7 is my relative youth as an EvE player. Being just over 2 years old as a player has inoculated me from “bittervet“ status, and I think a fresh perspective that is sympathetic to newer players with fewer skillpoints would greatly benefit the diversity of the next council. I soundly reject The Mittani’s belief that the CSM only functions effectively when it is filled with candidates who view the game through the lens of 0.0 space.

So people should vote for you because of your lack of insight? Also eve based twitter account is pretty LOL
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Wild Geese.
#522 - 2012-03-02 20:57:34 UTC
Courthouse wrote:
You should be careful not to take too much of your own kool aid while your campaign has momentum. You're advocating for modules that people put down when they live in, or 'occupy' space to not be a part of an occupy mechanic. This is the exact opposite of what the null community has been asking for since Dominion: tie occupancy to a mechanic that reflects people actually living in, or occupying, the space.

You may not like to have FW mirror nullsec sov, and that's fine, functionally there should probably be some sort of overlap and perhaps differing capture mechanics, but taking a position that the measures one takes to occupy space such that it's livable not being a part of the mechanics of transferring occupancy from one group to another is an illogical platform.


I'll happily keep drinking my kool-aid, its quite nutritious and the recipe has over 9000 herbs and spices sourced from the players that live in low sec space. You should go back and read the stuff I've written regarding the cultural differences between low sec residents and null sec residents, and the myriad reasons why you can't just take what works in 0.0 and use it to shape other regions of space.

Faction Warfare is just that - warfare. It's not about empire building, resource managment, logistics chains, or even a sense of permanency. If you read the lore, the militias are a legally *tolerated* defense group, born out of emergency need and are not the military themselves. We are essentially the xenophobic and patriotic crazies hanging out on the borderlands anxious for anything we can justify shooting without actually breaking the law. As actvitiy has dwindled over the years, we nowadays hardly even care about the law anymore.

Faction Warfare occupancy mechanics should revolve around fleet combat victories, not structure shoots. This isn't about what the null community has been asking for since Dominion, its about what the low sec community has been asking for since Empyrean Age. If null residents want occupancy to include revolve around structures, dreadnoughts, and POS shoots, GREAT!! I'm happy to support those changes as long as they apply to 0.0. Forcing null mechanics on a crowd that doesnt appreciate them is not only illogical, its dangerous in terms of customer retention. I'd hate to see another mini-Incarna rage summer because CCP didn't listen to the thousands of players enlisted in Faction Warfare.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#523 - 2012-03-02 20:58:50 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

Faction Warfare occupancy mechanics should revolve around fleet combat victories, not structure shoots. This isn't about what the null community has been asking for since Dominion, its about what the low sec community has been asking for since Empyrean Age. If null residents want occupancy to include revolve around structures, dreadnoughts, and POS shoots, GREAT!! I'm happy to support those changes as long as they apply to 0.0. Forcing null mechanics on a crowd that doesnt appreciate them is not only illogical, its dangerous in terms of customer retention. I'd hate to see another mini-Incarna rage summer because CCP didn't listen to the thousands of players enlisted in Faction Warfare.

Nothing about sov warfare matters to anyone but nullsec players. If you are a low or high sec pubby please keep your chatter to mining simulators and playing house with Aurum.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Wild Geese.
#524 - 2012-03-02 21:13:58 UTC
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:


One of the advantages I will bring to CSM 7 is my relative youth as an EvE player. Being just over 2 years old as a player has inoculated me from “bittervet“ status, and I think a fresh perspective that is sympathetic to newer players with fewer skillpoints would greatly benefit the diversity of the next council. I soundly reject The Mittani’s belief that the CSM only functions effectively when it is filled with candidates who view the game through the lens of 0.0 space.

So people should vote for you because of your lack of insight? Also eve based twitter account is pretty LOL


Players should vote for me because the experience for players in the first couple years of playing the game is different in some ways than players that have been playing for 5 or 6, and I live permanently in an area where other new players are also just cutting their teeth on EvE.

Here is the beginning of exchange I had with one of the current CSM's regarding Faction Warfare specifically. I hope voters will see the value in electing council members who aren't simply knowledgeable in a field, but who also stay firmly grounded in what current players engaged in a feature want for themselves. We're electing representatives, not hiring a think-tank.

As for "lack of insight", I think I've demonstrated aptly throughout my campaign that I do have plenty of important things to say about a wide reaching array of issues. The existing CSM members have had almost universally positive things to say about my proven work ethic, my knowledge of the game, and my willingness to be a team player, so I don't think there's any reason for voters to worry about whether or not I'm capable of performing the job once I'm there.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#525 - 2012-03-02 21:15:38 UTC
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:


One of the advantages I will bring to CSM 7 is my relative youth as an EvE player. Being just over 2 years old as a player has inoculated me from “bittervet“ status, and I think a fresh perspective that is sympathetic to newer players with fewer skillpoints would greatly benefit the diversity of the next council. I soundly reject The Mittani’s belief that the CSM only functions effectively when it is filled with candidates who view the game through the lens of 0.0 space.

So people should vote for you because of your lack of insight? Also eve based twitter account is pretty LOL


Right.
Because anyone who doesn't view eve through a null sec lens must lack insight.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#526 - 2012-03-02 21:16:03 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:


One of the advantages I will bring to CSM 7 is my relative youth as an EvE player. Being just over 2 years old as a player has inoculated me from “bittervet“ status, and I think a fresh perspective that is sympathetic to newer players with fewer skillpoints would greatly benefit the diversity of the next council. I soundly reject The Mittani’s belief that the CSM only functions effectively when it is filled with candidates who view the game through the lens of 0.0 space.

So people should vote for you because of your lack of insight? Also eve based twitter account is pretty LOL


Players should vote for me because the experience for players in the first couple years of playing the game is different in some ways than players that have been playing for 5 or 6, and I live permanently in an area where other new players are also just cutting their teeth on EvE.

Here is the beginning of exchange I had with one of the current CSM's regarding Faction Warfare specifically. I hope voters will see the value in electing council members who aren't simply knowledgeable in a field, but who also stay firmly grounded in what current players engaged in a feature want for themselves. We're electing representatives, not hiring a think-tank.

As for "lack of insight", I think I've demonstrated aptly throughout my campaign that I do have plenty of important things to say about a wide reaching array of issues. The existing CSM members have had almost universally positive things to say about my proven work ethic, my knowledge of the game, and my willingness to be a team player, so I don't think there's any reason for voters to worry about whether or not I'm capable of performing the job once I'm there.


Can you give me some advice on what minerals to mine or what mods to make and sell at a loss in JITA?
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Wild Geese.
#527 - 2012-03-02 21:18:06 UTC
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:

Nothing about sov warfare matters to anyone but nullsec players. If you are a low or high sec pubby please keep your chatter to mining simulators and playing house with Aurum.


Well, since you think that all "low or high sec pubby"s simply mine and buy clothes, I think that confirms how much insight YOU have about EVE and the way its played. It's a really good thing that between the two of us, I'm the one running for the council.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#528 - 2012-03-02 21:19:15 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:

Nothing about sov warfare matters to anyone but nullsec players. If you are a low or high sec pubby please keep your chatter to mining simulators and playing house with Aurum.


Well, since you think that all "low or high sec pubby"s simply mine and buy clothes, I think that confirms how much insight YOU have about EVE and the way its played. It's a really good thing that between the two of us, I'm the one running for the council.



Sorry I forgot making mods at a loss for the JITA market. Good luck in your defeat.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Wild Geese.
#529 - 2012-03-02 21:20:07 UTC
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
Good luck


Thanks!

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
#530 - 2012-03-02 21:20:13 UTC
I dont think hes saying anything about sov mechanics...I think hes made it clear he doesnt care about sov mechanics. Roll

as a primarily null-sec person I personally like the sov mechanics, thats just my opinion.

in contrast, i think what Hans is saying is that there are changes that need to be made to low AND hi sec that are completely independent of changes to null-sec (if any, which hes not really advocating any)

I agree that low and hi sec need the most help, and thats why I like Hans
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#531 - 2012-03-02 21:22:51 UTC
Zathryon wrote:
I dont think hes saying anything about sov mechanics...I think hes made it clear he doesnt care about sov mechanics. Roll

as a primarily null-sec person I personally like the sov mechanics, thats just my opinion.

in contrast, i think what Hans is saying is that there are changes that need to be made to low AND hi sec that are completely independent of changes to null-sec (if any, which hes not really advocating any)

I agree that low and hi sec need the most help, and thats why I like Hans

high sec exists for actual players of this game to laugh at and take advantage of. Mittani has proven this time and time again. High sec pubbies just get shat on every CSM and it will continue. They deserve it though because these are the sorts of candidates they have. You like him because you are just a pubby fetishist.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Wild Geese.
#532 - 2012-03-02 21:31:13 UTC
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:

high sec exists for actual players of this game to laugh at and take advantage of. Mittani has proven this time and time again. High sec pubbies just get shat on every CSM and it will continue. They deserve it though because these are the sorts of candidates they have. You like him because you are just a pubby fetishist.


The Mittani wrote:
I sort of assumed that Hans would be a FW candidate this year and I support him, no need to get all ~rah rah mittens~ about it.

During CSM6 Hans reached out to us and gave us a whole list of FW fixes, which we promptly dumped in CCP's lap, and they're now cognizant of them - pretty much entirely due to Hans taking the initiative.

FW dudes should have a rep, just like Wormhole dudes. If I was a FW player, I'd rally behind Hans. Good luck!


CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#533 - 2012-03-02 21:46:23 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:

high sec exists for actual players of this game to laugh at and take advantage of. Mittani has proven this time and time again. High sec pubbies just get shat on every CSM and it will continue. They deserve it though because these are the sorts of candidates they have. You like him because you are just a pubby fetishist.


The Mittani wrote:
I sort of assumed that Hans would be a FW candidate this year and I support him, no need to get all ~rah rah mittens~ about it.

During CSM6 Hans reached out to us and gave us a whole list of FW fixes, which we promptly dumped in CCP's lap, and they're now cognizant of them - pretty much entirely due to Hans taking the initiative.

FW dudes should have a rep, just like Wormhole dudes. If I was a FW player, I'd rally behind Hans. Good luck!



If you think he is supporting you because of any other reason than you serve a purpose as a tool for him then you are delusional.
Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
#534 - 2012-03-02 21:54:38 UTC
gratz hans, you have passed the troll test


and for the record, I love 0.0 and have spent the overwhelming majority of my 3 years in eve there...but i like hisec too and i think hisec could be way more fun with some changes. plus 66% of eve lives there so its only right that they get some love.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Wild Geese.
#535 - 2012-03-02 21:56:12 UTC
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:

If you think he is supporting you because of any other reason than you serve a purpose as a tool for him then you are delusional.


If he is supporting me because he thinks I will serve a purpose as a tool for him, than HE is delusional, and should probably retract his words of support.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Wild Geese.
#536 - 2012-03-02 22:01:08 UTC
Zathryon wrote:
gratz hans, you have passed the troll test


Trolls occasionally ask important questions, they just do it in nasty ways.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

None ofthe Above
#537 - 2012-03-02 22:20:07 UTC
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
Zathryon wrote:
I dont think hes saying anything about sov mechanics...I think hes made it clear he doesnt care about sov mechanics. Roll

as a primarily null-sec person I personally like the sov mechanics, thats just my opinion.

in contrast, i think what Hans is saying is that there are changes that need to be made to low AND hi sec that are completely independent of changes to null-sec (if any, which hes not really advocating any)

I agree that low and hi sec need the most help, and thats why I like Hans

high sec exists for actual players of this game to laugh at and take advantage of. Mittani has proven this time and time again. High sec pubbies just get shat on every CSM and it will continue. They deserve it though because these are the sorts of candidates they have. You like him because you are just a pubby fetishist.


Keep poasting! Every player you enrage is another voter. Thank you for your support.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Courthouse
Perkone
Caldari State
#538 - 2012-03-02 23:24:24 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Faction Warfare is just that - warfare. It's not about empire building, resource managment, logistics chains, or even a sense of permanency. If you read the lore, the militias are a legally *tolerated* defense group, born out of emergency need and are not the military themselves. We are essentially the xenophobic and patriotic crazies hanging out on the borderlands anxious for anything we can justify shooting without actually breaking the law. As actvitiy has dwindled over the years, we nowadays hardly even care about the law anymore.

Faction Warfare occupancy mechanics should revolve around fleet combat victories, not structure shoots. This isn't about what the null community has been asking for since Dominion, its about what the low sec community has been asking for since Empyrean Age. If null residents want occupancy to include revolve around structures, dreadnoughts, and POS shoots, GREAT!! I'm happy to support those changes as long as they apply to 0.0. Forcing null mechanics on a crowd that doesnt appreciate them is not only illogical, its dangerous in terms of customer retention. I'd hate to see another mini-Incarna rage summer because CCP didn't listen to the thousands of players enlisted in Faction Warfare.


Look, you need to put 5 minutes of preparation into these tirades of yours before you launch off on a tear and tell me what's up. My warning is because I want the level-headed Hans on the CSM, not the irrational circlejerk cult of personality that you're becoming.

Think about it for a moment: Ship battle victories = FW capture mechanic: Okay, GSF will go join Caldari militia and rampage through all other lowsec systems in odd hours raping anything with a signature radius and then coordinate the caldari militia to not be in lowsec for the next 20 hours, boom, caldari militia wins. it's an unworkable solution born out of a need to be the 'anti-thatguy!'

The fact is that FW has a current capture mechanic for star systems. The current mechanic is disliked, that's cool. Guess what, nullsec has a pretty ****** capture mechanic too. On top of that, nullsec has been pitching this 'farms and fields' idea, where we hope to generate small gang warfare from non-critical structures and activites that will not only provide income to the residents of null empires, but also provide target rich environments to solo/small gang gankers. Sounds familiar, yes?

A good CSM will seek to learn about the pitch already in place and see if they can develop it in a way that the same mechanic can be shared for both systems, ensuring some cohesion that the developers will love, since they won't need several sprints for each iteration of the mechanic as well as creating a system by which experts in the 'farms-and-fields-gang-warfare' can find some common ground and make the borders between null and low sec more porous.

Before you come out screaming and stomping your feet like a petulant child, listen, learn and corroborate with those who have already paved the way for the mechanics that you're looking for.
Delici Feelgood
Doomheim
#539 - 2012-03-02 23:30:51 UTC
Courthouse wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Faction Warfare is just that - warfare. It's not about empire building, resource managment, logistics chains, or even a sense of permanency. If you read the lore, the militias are a legally *tolerated* defense group, born out of emergency need and are not the military themselves. We are essentially the xenophobic and patriotic crazies hanging out on the borderlands anxious for anything we can justify shooting without actually breaking the law. As actvitiy has dwindled over the years, we nowadays hardly even care about the law anymore.

Faction Warfare occupancy mechanics should revolve around fleet combat victories, not structure shoots. This isn't about what the null community has been asking for since Dominion, its about what the low sec community has been asking for since Empyrean Age. If null residents want occupancy to include revolve around structures, dreadnoughts, and POS shoots, GREAT!! I'm happy to support those changes as long as they apply to 0.0. Forcing null mechanics on a crowd that doesnt appreciate them is not only illogical, its dangerous in terms of customer retention. I'd hate to see another mini-Incarna rage summer because CCP didn't listen to the thousands of players enlisted in Faction Warfare.


Look, you need to put 5 minutes of preparation into these tirades of yours before you launch off on a tear and tell me what's up. My warning is because I want the level-headed Hans on the CSM, not the irrational circlejerk cult of personality that you're becoming.

Think about it for a moment: Ship battle victories = FW capture mechanic: Okay, GSF will go join Caldari militia and rampage through all other lowsec systems in odd hours raping anything with a signature radius and then coordinate the caldari militia to not be in lowsec for the next 20 hours, boom, caldari militia wins. it's an unworkable solution born out of a need to be the 'anti-thatguy!'

The fact is that FW has a current capture mechanic for star systems. The current mechanic is disliked, that's cool. Guess what, nullsec has a pretty ****** capture mechanic too. On top of that, nullsec has been pitching this 'farms and fields' idea, where we hope to generate small gang warfare from non-critical structures and activites that will not only provide income to the residents of null empires, but also provide target rich environments to solo/small gang gankers. Sounds familiar, yes?

A good CSM will seek to learn about the pitch already in place and see if they can develop it in a way that the same mechanic can be shared for both systems, ensuring some cohesion that the developers will love, since they won't need several sprints for each iteration of the mechanic as well as creating a system by which experts in the 'farms-and-fields-gang-warfare' can find some common ground and make the borders between null and low sec more porous.

Before you come out screaming and stomping your feet like a petulant child, listen, learn and corroborate with those who have already paved the way for the mechanics that you're looking for.


tl;dr: capitulate to the null sec interest, as we need to keep control over game mechanics to ensure they support our selfish goals.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
Wild Geese.
#540 - 2012-03-02 23:40:14 UTC
Courthouse wrote:
The fact is that FW has a current capture mechanic for star systems. The current mechanic is disliked, that's cool.



I suggest you take a deep breath, calm down, and reread just about everything I've had to say on the topic of Faction Warfare. Including all my audio interviews. If you've gotten this far and you think we've all been "disliking the current mechanic" you haven't been paying attention at all.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary