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cherry picking, thoughts?
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morrosis
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-02-07 03:42:23 UTC
We all have seen it or have done it our selves, Who cherry picks a belt for the highest profiting ores?

Have you ever done anything against people who cherry pick?
Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
#2 - 2012-02-07 04:15:59 UTC
I usually go after what I need a bit more of. If I need say, an extra 200K mexallon and the cheapest and nearest depot is 15-20 jumps, I'll just jump out into a belt and only hit the Plagio rocks. That's it more or less, some times it's just go after the largest so I don't have to keep retargeting or get low yield cycles.
Jacob Lyon Chieve
Sanguis Mortem Industrial
#3 - 2012-02-07 14:46:39 UTC
No cherry picking for my corp. We strip things clean, even the tiny 1k viscious pyros.

Short cycles FTW baby.

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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#4 - 2012-02-07 15:04:55 UTC
Do I mine the most valuable ore I can in a system? yes, why would I do otherwise?

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Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#5 - 2012-02-07 15:39:53 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Do I mine the most valuable ore I can in a system? yes, why would I do otherwise?


Because it's not neat. Obviously.

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Skorpynekomimi
#6 - 2012-02-07 16:00:52 UTC
**** neat. I go for the most valuable ores in the system first, then the lesser ones. Even on mining ops, I maximise return by going for the 5% and 10% ores.

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Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#7 - 2012-02-07 16:10:33 UTC
If I'm mining for sale to make ISK I will mine the rocks that give the most profit. I I'm mining to use to use the minerals I will mine what I need although generally then I will just mine the 10% of everything and the 5% of Veldspar.

I would say it is considered rude to park your mining vessel by someone elses and mine the rocks near to them. There are after all probably millions of belts in New Eden. Straight
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#8 - 2012-02-07 17:18:20 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Do I mine the most valuable ore I can in a system? yes, why would I do otherwise?


May be because they difference in profits between the different high sec ores is minimal. you will usually make more isk/hour striping the entire belt, as you will spend more time mining and less time looking for the next target.

With my mining fleet I can completely strip a belt in a couple hours. To get the same income cherry picking I need to cherry pick 5-6 belts, and even then I am only making the same profits and it takes longer. To make more isk than I make stripping I would need to spend significantly more time picking through the belts, even though my isk per load would be higher my over all isk/hour would be lower due to the extra time needed to cherry pick multiple belts.. Vedespar is one ore usually over looked but it is usually 3 or 4th highest isk per m3 and the largest rocks, thus can be mined the quickest more than making up for the slight reduction in isk/m3. I still mine all the higher priced ores I just do not skip the veld or scor like so many others do.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#9 - 2012-02-07 17:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Do I mine the most valuable ore I can in a system? yes, why would I do otherwise?


May be because they difference in profits between the different high sec ores is minimal. you will usually make more isk/hour striping the entire belt, as you will spend more time mining and less time looking for the next target.

With my mining fleet I can completely strip a belt in a couple hours. To get the same income cherry picking I need to cherry pick 5-6 belts, and even then I am only making the same profits and it takes longer. To make more isk than I make stripping I would need to spend significantly more time picking through the belts, even though my isk per load would be higher my over all isk/hour would be lower due to the extra time needed to cherry pick multiple belts.. Vedespar is one ore usually over looked but it is usually 3 or 4th highest isk per m3 and the largest rocks, thus can be mined the quickest more than making up for the slight reduction in isk/m3. I still mine all the higher priced ores I just do not skip the veld or scor like so many others do.



Perhaps have never run the figures, from what you have said I think you mine on a much larger scale than I do though.

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Jacob Lyon Chieve
Sanguis Mortem Industrial
#10 - 2012-02-07 17:56:49 UTC
Based on current Jita mineral prices (average of highest 5 buys and lowest 5 sells), ore value is currently:

Ore Name...........................Refined / m3
Concentrated Veldspar....140.61
Dense Veldspar................147.30
Veldspar..............................133.91
Condensed Scordite.........122.89
Massive Scordite...............128.74
Scordite...............................117.04
Pyroxeres............................159.97
Solid Pyroxeres..................167.97
Viscious Pyroxeres............175.97
Azure Plagioclase..............157.65
Plagioclase.........................150.15
Rich Plagioclase...............165.16
Fiery Kernite.......................158.53
Kernite.................................144.11
Luminous Kernite.............151.32
Omber.................................75.54..... Almost not
Silvery Omber....................79.32...... worth listing
Golden Omber...................83.10...... this stuff.

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#11 - 2012-02-07 19:21:54 UTC
Cherry picking implies you are doing something you shouldn't. I like to spend my time wisely. I shouldn't waste my time with omber or even veld if I can make more mining pyrox. No one should unless you need a mineral you cannot get from your market.

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Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-02-07 20:07:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Nub Sauce
When I bother to mine, I generally just spend 2 to 3 hours while watching some TV. I'll borrow a couple of my friends' accounts and combine them with mine to from a mining team.

My primary rule is to only mine the most valuable ore as anything else would be wasting my time.

Also, I love cherries. Cherry pie, cherry cobbler, cherry pooppin'... it's all good.

The plan is generally to gain minerals for building things to sell in order to further increase my income. Then, if necessary, I will sell a portion of the minerals I mined to purchase minerals that I would have gained from mining less valueable ore and ore I cannot get to from high sec. This is called efficiency. It also keeps the market healthy.

Edit:

A simple example would be this. Lets say I need ore A and it trades for 50 isk on the market but ore B goes for 100. Well I can just mine ore B, sell it, then buy twice as much ore A. Can't see why I'd go about it any other way.
Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
#13 - 2012-02-07 22:07:59 UTC
Jacob Lyon Chieve wrote:
Based on current Jita mineral prices (average of highest 5 buys and lowest 5 sells), ore value is currently:

Ore Name...........................Refined / m3
Concentrated Veldspar....140.61
Dense Veldspar................147.30
Veldspar..............................133.91
Condensed Scordite.........122.89
Massive Scordite...............128.74
Scordite...............................117.04
Pyroxeres............................159.97
Solid Pyroxeres..................167.97
Viscious Pyroxeres............175.97
Azure Plagioclase..............157.65
Plagioclase.........................150.15
Rich Plagioclase...............165.16
Fiery Kernite.......................158.53
Kernite.................................144.11
Luminous Kernite.............151.32
Omber.................................75.54..... Almost not
Silvery Omber....................79.32...... worth listing
Golden Omber...................83.10...... this stuff.


did you take the ore prices instead of the minerals? azure plagioclase is always worth more than rich one ..
and it would help to sort by price ;)
but im lazy too Lol
Jacob Lyon Chieve
Sanguis Mortem Industrial
#14 - 2012-02-07 23:09:52 UTC
Those are refined prices. Nobody should be selling ore!

And they are alphabetized within the ore groups. And while you may be lazy, I sure as hell am not. =P

Need to know how much ore to mine in order to yield a certain order of minerals? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67477 It will even calculate how long you can expect for it to take!
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#15 - 2012-02-08 01:24:36 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Do I mine the most valuable ore I can in a system? yes, why would I do otherwise?


May be because they difference in profits between the different high sec ores is minimal. you will usually make more isk/hour striping the entire belt, as you will spend more time mining and less time looking for the next target.

With my mining fleet I can completely strip a belt in a couple hours. To get the same income cherry picking I need to cherry pick 5-6 belts, and even then I am only making the same profits and it takes longer. To make more isk than I make stripping I would need to spend significantly more time picking through the belts, even though my isk per load would be higher my over all isk/hour would be lower due to the extra time needed to cherry pick multiple belts.. Vedespar is one ore usually over looked but it is usually 3 or 4th highest isk per m3 and the largest rocks, thus can be mined the quickest more than making up for the slight reduction in isk/m3. I still mine all the higher priced ores I just do not skip the veld or scor like so many others do.



Perhaps have never run the figures, from what you have said I think you mine on a much larger scale than I do though.


cherry picking can work on a small scale but not much isk in small ops. But if you enjoy it. git-r-done
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#16 - 2012-02-08 01:26:43 UTC
Alberik wrote:
Jacob Lyon Chieve wrote:
Based on current Jita mineral prices (average of highest 5 buys and lowest 5 sells), ore value is currently:

Ore Name...........................Refined / m3
Concentrated Veldspar....140.61
Dense Veldspar................147.30
Veldspar..............................133.91
Condensed Scordite.........122.89
Massive Scordite...............128.74
Scordite...............................117.04
Pyroxeres............................159.97
Solid Pyroxeres..................167.97
Viscious Pyroxeres............175.97
Azure Plagioclase..............157.65
Plagioclase.........................150.15
Rich Plagioclase...............165.16
Fiery Kernite.......................158.53
Kernite.................................144.11
Luminous Kernite.............151.32
Omber.................................75.54..... Almost not
Silvery Omber....................79.32...... worth listing
Golden Omber...................83.10...... this stuff.


did you take the ore prices instead of the minerals? azure plagioclase is always worth more than rich one ..
and it would help to sort by price ;)
but im lazy too Lol

some players sell raw ore because sometimes it is worth more if you do not refine at 100%
Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-02-08 01:28:48 UTC
Looking for new targets?

Right click in space > warp to the next belt on the list. Done!

Though, I suppose if you had a fleet of 10-20 mining barges then you might as well hit entire belts. But with 2 to 4, I just grab all the valuable ore and move along.
Blade N'Mare
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-02-08 01:34:00 UTC
As the best mining vessel I can fly atm is a retriever, and I dont run alts for hauling, Id be mad to not cherry pick...

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#19 - 2012-02-10 00:38:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Nub Sauce wrote:
Looking for new targets?

Right click in space > warp to the next belt on the list. Done!

Though, I suppose if you had a fleet of 10-20 mining barges then you might as well hit entire belts. But with 2 to 4, I just grab all the valuable ore and move along.


I have a 4 man fleet

I have done both cherry picking and stripping.

stripping is always more isk/hour if you bother to keep track.

every time you move your ship to reach new rocks you lose cycles. every time you war to a new belt you lose cycles.
Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-02-10 00:47:43 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Nub Sauce wrote:
Looking for new targets?

Right click in space > warp to the next belt on the list. Done!

Though, I suppose if you had a fleet of 10-20 mining barges then you might as well hit entire belts. But with 2 to 4, I just grab all the valuable ore and move along.


I have a 4 man fleet

I have done both cherry picking and stripping.

stripping is always more isk/hour if you bother to keep track.


In the couple systems that I mine in, I have a couple book marks per belt for optimal 'cherry picking' so actually it's far more isk/hour for me to hit the good stuff. I generally don't mine for more than a few hours and the primary system I mine in is rarely mined much.

When I keep track, which is nearly every time, it turns out that more valueable ore leads to more isk/hour.
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