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[Proposal] Make abandoned POS's Un-anchorable.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-02-08 10:44:16 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
I also suggest that in order to do this in HiSec, you have to wardec the owning corp.
If the corp is closed then no need.

Making it possible to make an offline POS invulnerable by abusing the wardec mechanics, as is done today. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-02-08 11:52:03 UTC
+1 to every solution found. as long as all the towers in wh space that are dead can be removed, im all in favor

ps: also something to unanchor towers when there are (incapped) mods attached please. a selfdestruct on mods?
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-02-08 13:11:09 UTC
GeoffWICE wrote:
Yep I agree thats why i came up with the idea of a Anchor-able hacking module
the idea is it has a given amount of time to "hack" the POS giving the owner time to respond.

Any chance this is going to be added to the CSM's list of things to be done?

Giving POS's a major upgrade is a high priority for everyone on CSM, and I would not be at all surprised if CCP decided to take this on for the Winter 2012 expansion. I'm certainly pushing for it (remember that when you cast your votes!).

This kind of change would be the sort of thing that gets discussed when they decide to bite the bullet and give us a new system.

Best
R

PS: for avoidance of confusion, my idea of "a short grace period" is perhaps a couple of days. And apart from giving people the chance to recover from their own screwups, it also gives CCP a chance to recover from theirs as well -- such as what happened with the fuel block changeover.

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-02-08 13:23:01 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I'm broadly in favor of this, and have been for quite some time. CCP is quite aware of this issue, in particular with respect to the POS graveyards in some WH's.

However, I personally think there should be a short grace period after the POS goes offline before it's hackable/unanchorable/whatever.



The "grace period" is the amount of spam a pos gives you that it's about to run out of fuel.
If you don't have the ability to maintain it, then you should be able to have one tbh
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-02-08 13:23:18 UTC
People get POS refuel notifications in their calendar now, if they still can't refuel the POS on time based on that and they don't take the hint of "HALP HALP I'M LOW ON FUEL" every hour for 24 hours, then I'm going to just go out on a limb and say ****'em.

Just so this is said, I'd assume the hacking of a POS would be something which would actually take a while to accomplish, say an hour or so or whatever, just to try to give the owner yet another hour to get there, put fuel in and start it up, thus protecting his investment. I wasn't thinking it should be something which can be done within 30 seconds of a POS going offline.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#26 - 2012-02-08 14:29:26 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:
I also suggest that in order to do this in HiSec, you have to wardec the owning corp.
If the corp is closed then no need.

Making it possible to make an offline POS invulnerable by abusing the wardec mechanics, as is done today. vOv


Very good point Zim.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-02-08 14:38:16 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
People get POS refuel notifications in their calendar now, if they still can't refuel the POS on time based on that and they don't take the hint of "HALP HALP I'M LOW ON FUEL" every hour for 24 hours, then I'm going to just go out on a limb and say ****'em.

Just so this is said, I'd assume the hacking of a POS would be something which would actually take a while to accomplish, say an hour or so or whatever, just to try to give the owner yet another hour to get there, put fuel in and start it up, thus protecting his investment. I wasn't thinking it should be something which can be done within 30 seconds of a POS going offline.

Exactly.

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#28 - 2012-02-08 15:24:44 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
People get POS refuel notifications in their calendar now, if they still can't refuel the POS on time based on that and they don't take the hint of "HALP HALP I'M LOW ON FUEL" every hour for 24 hours, then I'm going to just go out on a limb and say ****'em.

Just so this is said, I'd assume the hacking of a POS would be something which would actually take a while to accomplish, say an hour or so or whatever, just to try to give the owner yet another hour to get there, put fuel in and start it up, thus protecting his investment. I wasn't thinking it should be something which can be done within 30 seconds of a POS going offline.


Lord Zim wrote:
People get POS refuel notifications in their calendar now, if they still can't refuel the POS on time based on that and they don't take the hint of "HALP HALP I'M LOW ON FUEL" every hour for 24 hours, then I'm going to just go out on a limb and say ****'em.

Just so this is said, I'd assume the hacking of a POS would be something which would actually take a while to accomplish, say an hour or so or whatever, just to try to give the owner yet another hour to get there, put fuel in and start it up, thus protecting his investment. I wasn't thinking it should be something which can be done within 30 seconds of a POS going offline.


And if the person does not log in for a couple days they will not see the POS fuel spam. Not everyone in EVE can get on every single day. I often go almost a week without getting online. Real life always comes first. especially with two small children in my life. I use EVE gate to keep tabs on corp messages and such but many others do not bother. There are also a lot of military personnel that play EVE. they can get a last minute deployment and not have time to arrange their assets in EVE for an extended leave. they can be often 3 months with no access to internet let alone a PC they can actually log into EVE on. This is why I believe it should be 90 days after a tower goes offline before it can be hacked and claimed by someone else.

I do believe though that when a POS goes off line it should have no shields or reinforcement immediately when it goes offline. And I think high sec POSes should go into an unanchor timer if they run out of starbase charters. They take up very little room and are very cheap to buy. there is not reason you can not have 6 months worth of Starbase charters in fuel bay at all times. If you lose your anchoring permit(starbase charter) in high sec an automated unanchor timer of say 2-4 days would activate and could be cancelled by adding more charters. This should be regardless of whether the POS is online or offline. No permit no anchor rights. If the unanchor timer reaches zero the POS unanchores and will disappear at next down time. If someone comes by before than the POS and all its modules can be scooped.

Put a little risk into investing in a high sec POS. if you do not maintain it you will lose it.

Many corps my self included have offline POSes anchored in high sec just5 incase they are needed. it takes some logistics and coordination to get Corp standings high enough to anchore a POS. so if you think you might need more in the near future by them an anchor them before you let your standings drop. For example I have a one man corp with my 4 accounts but only one of my characters has enough standings to be able to anchor a POS inhigh sec. So I have to either start a new corp with that character or move all my characters without 0.0 standings out of the corp, wait for standings to adjust. then anchor the POSes and reinvite the other characters. It is much easier to just anchor a couple extra POS while my standings are up. as long as they are offline they cost me nothing but the capital investment. If I had to online them for at least one day per month and keep them stocked with starbase charters it would add some cost and risk to those POSes rather than being able to claim the moon for free indefinitely. If players ant to keep offline POSes anchored just incase they need them then there should be some cost attached to it even if it is minimal.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#29 - 2012-02-08 16:26:54 UTC
Jalmari Huitsikko wrote:
in all honestly i see no point why you can anchor deathstar just on top of stargate


Wait...what?

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#30 - 2012-02-08 16:31:08 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
And if the person does not log in for a couple days they will not see the POS fuel spam.


Then they should keep their POS fuel topped off so that it doesn't run out.

Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Put a little risk into investing in a high sec POS. if you do not maintain it you will lose it.


Another good way to do this is to prevent people from being able to dec scrape to save their POS. If you can't defend it, you shouldn't own it.

The best solution I've seen is the anchor-able hacking device linked earlier in this thread. Have it only affect offlined POS and put a three day timer on it and it becomes quite easy to quickly take ownership of abandoned POS anywhere.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-02-08 19:43:18 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
And if the person does not log in for a couple days they will not see the POS fuel spam.


Then they should keep their POS fuel topped off so that it doesn't run out.

Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Put a little risk into investing in a high sec POS. if you do not maintain it you will lose it.


Another good way to do this is to prevent people from being able to dec scrape to save their POS. If you can't defend it, you shouldn't own it.

The best solution I've seen is the anchor-able hacking device linked earlier in this thread. Have it only affect offlined POS and put a three day timer on it and it becomes quite easy to quickly take ownership of abandoned POS anywhere.


I like the idea behind the three day timer. That sounds good, without being OP, or such a pain in the ass no-one bothers.

As for vets and others who get called away at a moments notice. I *do* understand, having been in the service for 10.5 years, however, in game assets do not necessarily have to reflect out of game issues.

imho, ymmv...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#32 - 2012-02-08 20:11:13 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
As for vets and others who get called away at a moments notice. I *do* understand, having been in the service for 10.5 years, however, in game assets do not necessarily have to reflect out of game issues.


More importantly, DON'T OPERATE A POS BY YOURSELF. If your absence results in the loss of your station, it's because you tried to do something solo that wasn't really intended for solo play. All you need is one other person you can trust to keep the POS operational while you are away.

If you can't manage that, don't have a POS. I've never operated one and don't see why others think they NEED one to play Eve, much less that it should be protected from their inability to maintain it.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-02-08 20:44:55 UTC
3 days? Really? That's even worse than the SBU timers etc.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

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