Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, the queue works fine as it is.

An attentive player able to log in would never need this.

It benefits people unable to log in for extended periods, regardless of whether they have no computer available, or simply had real life issues that kept them too busy.

Not everyone can micromanage the game, and CCP loves the guy who logs in once a month too. In fact, they have a special place in the accounting department for these guy's account records, surrounded by love notes and flowers.

Fine? That statement is based entirely on perspective, not any measurement of fact.

Imagine life before the que. You had to guess when your skill was ending, log in, and start the new one. If it was a long skill, you set reminders for yourself.

I hear EVE Mon being named for this, to track progress.
Even with the que, people are advocating for the need and use of a third party program in order to play the game with any quality of results. A lot of games allow third party programs to enhance out of game play, but to suggest anyone should need to use one in order to compete with their fellow players, suggests room for improvement.

The truth is, the que itself is an admission that players are not expected to need to log in more than once a day. The game skill system is not set up for convenient control beyond that. Now, if you extend that out logically, committing to skill training itself on specific skills is what the game wants.

A pilot who leaves for the weekend, with his que maxxed out Friday, could very likely return to his que having been empty nearly a day by Sunday night.

Your proposed solution, switch to a skill that takes longer, only has merit if two conditions are met. Need, and availability of the skill level for that duration.
Without both being met, you are leaving the pilot with a choice of an empty que, or training a skill they don't actually care about. (Needed this to 4, but have not use for level 5? There's a bunch of skill points lost you won't get back)

It won't meet every situation, but it enhances the current system to be more valuable. Rather than setting a skill level, you could just tell it to pursue that skill to it's level 5 completion.

Your statement was also based on perspective, I was merely telling the other side.

I've been in this game since the start of 2004, so I can imagine life well before the skill queue. Even though at times the small skills could be a real pain, (mostly the 3 to 6 hour ones) we train large skills when we were logged out. The beauty with the skill queue, was allowing us to pile up those short skills and still place a large one at the end.

I have used Evemon for years, but who says you need a third party tool to compete? Sure it helps if you have a busy life style, but to compete? No. That is also perspective on your part.

24 hours is a perfectly adequate length of time, to allow people to train those pesky small skills. There is no logic, (as you would make us believe) that because someone is not able to use the queue correctly, it then means we should pander to them and make this change.

Then you talk of wasted skill points, but I can see your idea producing far more and not even concentrated in one skill. Let's face it, if they can't organise themselves with the current queue, then they will most likely end up with pockets of SP dotted all over with partly trained level 5s.

The skill queue works very well right now and is in no need, for a fix. Fact.

@ Velicitia. Jury Rigging level 5.

Jury Rigging, unless you're producing T3s, and Battleship/Industrial Construction too AFAIK. I completely agree with you though, there is no need at all to change the system, it's unique among MMOs and works perfectly.

No, it works adequately for what we accept having the ability to do.

Perfectly would mean any player could achieve any balance of skill training, and be able to miss weeks at a time if they wanted or needed to.
I am NOT advocating for perfectly, as too many have voiced their opinion about liking obstacles, and enjoying their own unique ability to overcome these obstacles to their advantage. That is human nature, and nothing to be ashamed of.


Not on my part at all, it is one of the most common suggestions for players having to face challenges with tracking skills. I point to it as a reference that not everyone, by far, is able to use this skill que as well as you and some others apparently do.

Demand creates opportunity, and thus business growth. This is an opportunity for growth, in response to demand. The absence of need you keep mentioning is not truly significant.

Yes it's a handy tool to have and is recommended by many. But it doesn't then follow that because it's handy, that the skill queue isn't work well.

The queue works and it works well. Some people don't work and don't work well. The latter, is not a reason to change the former.

Actually you almost nailed it. A lot of people need prerequisite skills, or main skills, that give no benefit to use to justify training them above a certain level.

Say you want to fly a Curse. Recon ship skill requires you to have CovOps to 4 as a prereq. If you don't fly a covops, getting this skill to 5 won't have meaning.

Level 5 in many cases indicates a strong specialization in a skill, beyond what is needed to train other skills. Of course this does not apply to all skills, but it works with enough to have meaning to gameplay.

Yes, it works well. Rephrasing that into a cliche: If it's not broken, don't fix it.

The improvements on many things, quite often, are made despite the previous versions working well. But improving the product, keeping it competitive and growing, is what keeps a game alive.

The status quo can be improved. None of us play this game because we NEED to. We can make it better in ways that give more people a better experience playing it.

Wow. You handed me that, so allow me to politely say thank you.

What makes you think that they do NOT already have wasted points, because they tried training a long skill over a vacation or other absence, rather than the skill they actually wanted that would not fit in the que due to level breaks?

How many times has someone chosen to train something, rather than have an idle que, despite the fact they were training a skill they had no use for?

Your a clever fellow Mag's. Good bringing that to my attention. And again, I thank you.