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eve would win, star trek has no logi and no ECM

Star Trek ships can fire while warping

The artillery point is moot that's a game play limitation and has nothing to do with the weapons themselves, if it was a single 220mm shell would probably be enough to single hit a Battleship which it obviously cant. So they simply dont have travel velocity, they hit instantly because of engine limitations.

My point RADAR was about the precision of the RADAR, not only can modern systems track the rotation of a basket ball at over 500km they could track the rotation of hundreds of them all moving in different directions. The speed of the object is irrelevant, as long as its not 2 feet away or something.

Not even close. Star Trek Ships Impulse Speed is in the 1000km/s let alone that they could fight at warp. In the 250km Lock Range they would have less then a a Micro Second to make the lock and take a shot at a Ship that makes a 100MN AB Tengu look like it is sitting still with about the same size Sig.

Your Analysis on EVE Warp Speed does not take into account the very long Deceleration meaning it would have to get out pretty far head not to be overtaken in the decell. This would give a Star Trek Ship at Warp more then enough time to easily change course sit 10000km Away and let fly Torps and Phasers as the Ship Decelerates and Re-Aligns for a Second Warp. All ignoring the fact that EVE Ships need Beacons to Warp too be them a Probe Hit or a Station or a Fleeted Ship or a Physical Beacon like that in orbit around Planets, Moons or in Belts and DED Complexes. EVE Ships can not Free Warp and if they do manage it they don't have the Accuracy to pinpoint themselves ahead of a Free Warping Star Trek Ship nor the ability to not to be avoided in their long slow down or even the time to lock a target as even the most minor course correction lends them thousands of KM out of Range.

EVE Ships would not even be faster system to system as over halve the Warp Time would be eaten up accelerating and then decelerating then recharging their Capacitors as EVE Ships can not sustain long period Warps since the Energy used is taken from the ships charge and then funneled into the Warp Stream, once it is used up the Ship must Stop and then repeat the Process.

that's like saying "I can only flick you, but I can keep flicking while I run.
also, I did neglect the acceleration, however EVE ships accelerate quite quickly, they will reach their max speed over about the distance covered by around 2 seconds at max warp. also, ST ships do have to accelerate, it's just comparatively faster. and for inter stellar travel, considering a ST ship doing warp 9.9 the EVE ship would still win by a very large margin.

Oh FFS, learn the whole concept of EVE. The basic, fundamental rule right from day one was that EVE is a cold, dark universe. It's not about "good guys" vs. "bad guys", every NPC faction has its virtues and flaws (usually more of the latter), and none of them are afraid to get their hands dirty in advancing their selfish interests.

End result: the Federation would hate them all, and none of them would hesitate for even a second before exploiting the Federation for their own gain.



Oh, I'm sure that they would have different words for it. The Gallente would no doubt call it "spreading democracy" or "building better worlds" or something, while the Minmatar would be "establishing a buffer zone against Amarrian aggression".

No matter what name you use, the position is still the same: the Star Trek factions would be conquered subjects, stripped of anything useful, and disarmed entirely so that they can not become a future threat.



This assumes that Star Trek ships are capable of using EVE gates. This isn't a very good assumption, especially since it's quite likely that CONCORD would not approve of invaders from another universe and simply deny access to them.

Anyway, the point remains: EVE gates are much faster than Star Trek warp drive, and the only reason any EVE faction would have even the slightest interest in a warp drive would be to use it in an invasion of the Star Trek universe.



Until they need to fail to detect a ship until an appropriately dramatic moment.



If combat at warp speed and million-KM ranges is so common, why do we see so many cases of ships fighting at much closer ranges? You even posted a video in the other thread where the Defiant (Starfleet's most advanced combat ship) holds its fire until a mere 500m from the target, taking quite a bit of time to get there.

Like it or not, the most common form of combat in the Star Trek universe is slow and close.



As for combat speeds, who cares how fast Star Trek ships can run away. They're horribly outmatched in firepower and defense, and their planets are completely undefended. When an EVE fleet enters orbit around Earth and starts exterminating the civilian population, where exactly is a Federation ship going to warp TO? Every second spent doing something other than a last desperate close-range attack on the EVE fleet means millions of dead civilians, so running away is the height of cowardice.

So, in the end, the Star Trek ships would have to make their final suicidal stand. They will die, and then their civilian populations will die by the billions until the leaders offer their unconditional surrender and disarmament.

Federation has just as many flaws. From DS9 Alone their was attempted Genocide, a Coup de Ta and a Flase Flag Operation that falsely was used as justification for War.

Federation is used to demons and have Allied themselves with both the Klingons and Romulans. The Gal/Min would not be an Issue.


Doubtful, more like the Allied stance the Minmatar and Gallente have.


They allow Pirate and Invader Gate Access all the Time. I doubt they could stop them as for whether they are able to use Gates that is theoretical at best since we do not know if access is even an Issue. If it is then problem, if not then no issue.

It is a choke point that would make or break the war if the Federation ever went on the offensive. Then again if we are going on theoretical IWIN Buttons then you can not be sure EVE Ships stop Beaming. For all we know a Fleet of 1000 Warships would have their Crew harmlessly Beamed into outer space.

I do like it, since they can all fight at Warp Speeds their is no reason they have to unless they are being chased. So they Warp in close where energy weapons are most powerful, against an enemy with no range they can easily move 10000km off to avoid hits.


Yes but they will still make that stand from 10000km away where Ships can not hit them but they can hit them fine. Moving in close means loosing firepower, a poor tactic that will make their stand end quicker. They will be in a better position to defend at Warp Speed Firing on the enemy instead of loosing valuable ground.

Then again with EVE Ships Warps being pathetically Slow as shown they would never make it to earth being picked off all along the way from millions of Kilometers.

Arguing two seperate and flawed physics is going to get no where.

Remember EVE is not a frictionless space.. think ST ships are going to move around in EVE space soup like normal? EVE ships are going to have some serious issue turning in normal space.

Funny thing about tachyons.. they go on n on n on and actually get faster while already being faster than light to begin with. How would an EVE tachyon beam behave in ST physics land? Amarr victor!

Some one is really going have to explain this 'shooting in warp' thing. As far as my basic understanding of ST's warp drive tech goes, it keeps a bubble of normal space-time wrapped about the ship, to deflect time dilation effects.. while completely creating some abnormal bends in front and in back, sort of like flipping magnetic poles to give it its thrust to.. I guess quite literally, Bend and fold space in itself. How the hell is a mass and/or energy firing from a normal space-time fabric going to get through what the warp drive is creating about the ship without becoming completely ****** by extreme bent curvatures, time variations, borky quantum mechanics going absolutely nuts, and the residual radiant energy?

I can make cardboard cut outs and call them Lightning Bolts too.

Pointless arguement.

And if they were parallel in their physics.. ST is going have to be better than borg/Jove quality in owning factor, I'm pretty sure just one EVE empire is going to out number the Federation at a ridiculous clip. And even if they are better.. I don't think they are that much better to deal with the vast amount of ships EVE Empires are going to field and the ship sizes and its just going to be too much. A couple hundred dreads hot dropped n staring at an ST station isn't going to go well. Lets not forget that silly 'ball lightning' thingie that whats her face used on the Matar.

EDIT: Someone is really going have to prove ST shield tech is made of God and win like some of you want to think with some actual legit stuff. My understanding is any dmg weakens them, any kind any form.. and if I remember right, I think DS9.. some race completely could shoot right through their shields.

Ok, fine, let's assume that the Federation is gullible enough to believe Gallente propaganda and offer an alliance. That still ignores my main point, which is that the Gallente will stab the Federation in the back and conquer them. The "alliance" would last just long enough for the Gallente to get everything they can out of the Federation and prepare the invasion fleet.

What you keep failing to understand is that everyone in EVE is selfish and amoral. NONE of the NPC factions are the "good guys", and none of them would hesitate for one second before exploiting a weak rival.



One little problem here: the Gallente and Minmatar are allies of convenience.

The Gallente are just using the Minmatar as a shield against Amarrian expansion. They're quite happy to let the Minmatar do the fighting and dying and claim the propaganda benefits of "supporting the fight against slavery", but they keep the Minmatar at a safe distance and are (rightfully) wary of Minmatar terrorist groups or allowing their own citizens to get ideas about implementing social change. If the Amarr empire ceased to exist, the Gallente would quickly turn on their former "allies".

The Minmatar are just using the Gallente to get military support. They'll take what they can get, but I find it difficult to believe that they could overlook the fact that Gallente support isn't all that enthusiastic. How dedicated can the Gallente be to the fight against slavery when they keep such vast wealth instead of contributing it to the cause, and do not offer their own navy as direct support in attacks on the Amarr? Without that need for military support, or if the Gallente stood in the way of freeing Minmatar slaves, the "alliance" would last about as long as it takes to load the artillery.

In an EVE vs. Star Trek scenario, there is no mutual strategic interest. The Star Trek factions are weak and have nothing to offer that cannot be taken by force, and none of the EVE factions are going to be afraid of getting their hands dirty in a war of conquest against a galaxy that is so temptingly open to exploitation.



That's because CONCORD was created to be a neutral third party, and cares only for maintaining balance between the empires and the proper functioning of gates/stations/etc. Against an invader from another universe, CONCORD would have no reason to allow access, and strong motivation to refuse it.



Ok, so they sit at long range and kill the EVE ships slower (as you said, energy weapons are most powerful at short range), which means each EVE ship has more time to kill civilians before it is destroyed (if a Star Trek fleet can even destroy an EVE ship, which is highly questionable).

Meanwhile millions or billions of civilians are dying, and I really doubt that the Federation (or any other faction) will allow it to go on long enough to have a proper space battle. As soon as the first cities disappear under the orbital bombardment the leaders will order an immediate surrender (and of course if the starship captains refuse, the massacre will continue until they get the point).



What happened to this alliance where the gullible morons in the Federation offer Star Trek warp drives to the Gallente?

Also, don't forget about EVE jump drives. The cyno field is merely a beacon to lock on to, it is not a necessary component of a jump drive. While it is required for immediate jumps, it is entirely reasonable to think that an EVE capital ship could make a jump without one if it had days (or even weeks) to precisely calculate everything.

The most powerful ships of New Eden, technologically at least, and excepting Jovians, belong to the Amarr, who could arguably be called the most powerful military faction - lorewise at least.

The Amarr use Antimatter power plants, and lasers.

Star Trek vessels, lets say the ones of one of the Federation, which is generally considered one of the weaker military forces, are equipped with Phasers, capable of firing at ranges in tens of thousands of kilometers, photon torpedos (antimatter weapons) as well as tricobalt and quantum torpedos, and are also powered by Antimatter.

Both have shields.

Federation vessels lack armor as such, however, unlike every other shield system the Amarr have ever encountered, the Federation has no EM/Thermal weakness. ST shields are immune to lasers. On occasion they have also shrugged off old fashioned nukes, so the Caldari are screwed too.

Gallente and Minmatar might have a better chance, at least until the federation vessel opens fire at 50,000 kilometers. Or beams the crews into space. Or a Photon Torpedo into the bridge. Or tribbles. Or one pissed off Klingon.

If say, the Dominion paid a visit? Que New Eden getting curbstomped.

And don't even start on the Borg question. Sansha without the morals, and Concord grade defences and weaponry? Eesh.

And even if, EVEN IF New Eden somehow managed to pull together a massive fleet of nothing but doomsdaying titans and fully loaded supercarriers, the Federation only needs to dust off the one true WMD the Federation has ever actually built.

Genesis.

Imagine it, New Caldari, Amarr Prime, Gallente Prime, suddenly rewritten on the molecular level... (This would only improve the Mimnatar situation however).

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TL:DR

New Eden better hope the Jove come and fight the Federation to a standstill, and that NO OTHER ST factions take an interest.