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This is why CCP should nerf the Tengu.
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Caldari Citizen 786478786
#61 - 2012-02-08 19:45:55 UTC
L0rdF1end wrote:
Targets in the video look dumb. He actually comes within 10km of the targets on a few rare occassions and should of been webbed and scrammed.

But this is what it's like in Eve, sometimes you fight dumb opponents, then the next fight you get ganked by about 10 people.

You shouldn't take a ship being OP just from a youtube video of someones best fights.

Oh, and here's his 2.4 bil Tengu fit.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14997972


Since you clearly know what is and what isn't dumb, tell me, what good would a Scram do against a 100mn AB fit? And, if you had paid attention to the video, you'd have seen he was webbed on a number of occasions, but only 1 web at a time.

Do better research next time. So you don't look dumb.
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#62 - 2012-02-08 20:10:08 UTC
If the people complaining realized this...

Mutnin wrote:
People just whine because their cookie cutter fits can't counter it.


And did alittle more scouting or oh I dont know, deciding to not fight a ship that their cookie cutter isn't going to match well against and come back with something that will?
shal ri
Short Bus Window Licker
#63 - 2012-02-08 21:17:16 UTC
the op is an example of fail pvp pilots cryin about skilled pvp pilots. eve tho the tengu did not do the best job keepin his targets on field and keepin range. too many times he got way to close. the pvpers he was fighting just couldnt use his mistakes to thier advantage and they paid for it
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#64 - 2012-02-08 21:34:42 UTC
Its like someone complaining that harbingers are overpowered because I can kill a dozen month old newbs at once in one.
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#65 - 2012-02-09 01:00:34 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Its like someone complaining that harbingers are overpowered because I can kill a dozen month old newbs at once in one.


We should look into nerfing the harbinger next if thats the case, all these ships are so OP.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#66 - 2012-02-09 04:15:23 UTC
This whole thread should be retitled "why I hate T3 booster alts".

Faction dissy + T2 warfare links in a booster loki + skirmish mindlink = 50km point. Easy. 22km faction webs.
You get another 40% to AB and MWD speed.
Plus a 35% reduction in sig radius if you go that third link. Or, you can take the siege link and get 27.5% to shield stuff. Depends what he wants.

Toss in a blue pill and implants, and yeah, you can see how this guy achieves it. Plus, of course, having a clear game plan.

- web ships die first
- neut ships die second
- ceptors next
- then you go for the prize

If you are fighting a guy named XBOPOHx in a 100MN Tengu and there's a Captain BOPOH in local, and you have a Loki on scan named "not a booster" and you don't do the maths, yeah, prepare to lose your Machariel.

You will also notice he did not do so well vs fleets with ECM. Pencil that in your play books, ladies.

The real issue with the 100MN Tengu is the sig radius. With the speed he is getting from overheated 100MN, and a 35% reduction in sig radius, he is a) traveling faster than missile explosion velocity b) faster than most missiles anyway c) his sig radius is so low that if they do hit, it does SFA.

I don't know you need to nerf these ships. You need to buff people's situational awareness.

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Calsys
Monks of War
#67 - 2012-02-09 04:47:09 UTC
Mutnin wrote:

btw When did the Machieral whines change to Tengu whines?.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12381665
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12278589

herf machariel!
why one ship is so overpowered!
ohwai...

LolLolLol
xBOPOHx1
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-02-09 09:51:44 UTC
Dztrgovac
#69 - 2012-02-09 13:17:49 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Its like someone complaining that harbingers are overpowered because I can kill a dozen month old newbs at once in one.


Lolno? Just 3 or 4 of month old newbs in frigs or cruisers in nonfail fits with 1 semi decent FC among them will kill your harbi no matter what.

Oversized AB **** otoh you need a very specialized gang to have any chance and 90% of ordinarily but correctly setup gangs can just try run in terror.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#70 - 2012-02-09 14:24:24 UTC
Excellent post, couldn't agree with this more.

Trinkets friend wrote:
This whole thread should be retitled "why I hate T3 booster alts".

Faction dissy + T2 warfare links in a booster loki + skirmish mindlink = 50km point. Easy. 22km faction webs.
You get another 40% to AB and MWD speed.
Plus a 35% reduction in sig radius if you go that third link. Or, you can take the siege link and get 27.5% to shield stuff. Depends what he wants.

Toss in a blue pill and implants, and yeah, you can see how this guy achieves it. Plus, of course, having a clear game plan.

- web ships die first
- neut ships die second
- ceptors next
- then you go for the prize

If you are fighting a guy named XBOPOHx in a 100MN Tengu and there's a Captain BOPOH in local, and you have a Loki on scan named "not a booster" and you don't do the maths, yeah, prepare to lose your Machariel.

You will also notice he did not do so well vs fleets with ECM. Pencil that in your play books, ladies.

The real issue with the 100MN Tengu is the sig radius. With the speed he is getting from overheated 100MN, and a 35% reduction in sig radius, he is a) traveling faster than missile explosion velocity b) faster than most missiles anyway c) his sig radius is so low that if they do hit, it does SFA.

I don't know you need to nerf these ships. You need to buff people's situational awareness.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#71 - 2012-02-09 14:38:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
I like Eve-O forums for their consistency.

"Missiles are rubbish at PVP, train autocannons" (present everywhere)
"Nerf Drake! Nerf Tengu! They do all their damage out to huge ranges! You can't shoot them with autocannons!" (present everywhere)

Owait.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#72 - 2012-02-09 15:16:52 UTC
Dztrgovac wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Its like someone complaining that harbingers are overpowered because I can kill a dozen month old newbs at once in one.


Lolno? Just 3 or 4 of month old newbs in frigs or cruisers in nonfail fits with 1 semi decent FC among them will kill your harbi no matter what.

Oversized AB **** otoh you need a very specialized gang to have any chance and 90% of ordinarily but correctly setup gangs can just try run in terror.

The point. You missed it.

Also newbs are well known for flying properly fit ships and being lead by competent FCs.
Twisted Girl
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-02-10 11:48:42 UTC
it just does like 450-500dps max. 2 scimis and few webs and his toast.
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#74 - 2012-02-10 12:00:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Rel'k Bloodlor
He's using lots of isk and alts so its not that over powered, that said.

A root of a much larger problem is over sized prop mods, same thing that happened to assault frigs on the test server. And that is wrong, most of the new age super tengus taking so little damage and being almost as hard to pin down as super caps.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Joyelle
SludgeSlingers
#75 - 2012-02-11 19:13:52 UTC
HAM 100Mn LEGION will give a tengu a run for its money.
Joyelle
SludgeSlingers
#76 - 2012-02-11 19:15:33 UTC
xBOPOHx1 wrote:
http://clip2net.com/s/1zC0D Twisted


My man. When are you gonna release another tengu vid for us fans? Smile
xBOPOHx1
Doomheim
#77 - 2012-02-12 12:18:44 UTC
Joyelle wrote:
xBOPOHx1 wrote:
http://clip2net.com/s/1zC0D Twisted


My man. When are you gonna release another tengu vid for us fans? Smile

I think 4-5 weeks.Blink
Lord Drokoth
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#78 - 2012-02-12 20:08:24 UTC
LOL you lost that bad against a single 100mn AB tengu?
Bring the right ships..
Problem Solved.
Solj RichPopolous
Silent Havok.
H A R D L I N E R S
#79 - 2012-02-24 05:32:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Solj RichPopolous
As a 100mn loki/legion pilot myself. I say stfu about nerf. These things actually let the game be played to a level where having a bigger fleet of tards doesnt automatically makes u win. there are VERY easy counters to these ships but most people can't think enough to even "pvp" without an FC holding their hand in an already win situation so I wouldn't expect people to realize this.

These ships cost money and take skill to fly. Make a 100mn t3 yourself and go pvp i guarantee an unexperienced nub with a big wallet will die horribly. Its not as simple as approach or click orbit and shoot like what most eve players are accustomed to. It takes actual piloting.
Stabs McShiv
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2012-02-24 06:31:19 UTC
Just probe out the booster alt it dos not give out a bonus when its bouncing safes for its life that's when you kill the tengu or force it off the field.
Or just Leeroy your cookie cutters. Idiots.