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Do not vote Tiger Would for CSM...

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Sigmund Frued
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-02-14 17:58:59 UTC
Sehr gut, Yuu sshould all vote fur him.
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-02-14 18:05:57 UTC
Tiger Would est vrai que c'est un garçon extraordinaire
Tjeerd Jansen
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-02-14 18:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tjeerd Jansen
Jaques Cousteau Gemulus wrote:
Tiger Would est vrai que c'est un garçon extraordinaire


Nou dah benne een war woord,marta III hette dah al veurspeld dettie euit weul wah bereiken konnen.

Den begin dah beest tuh stompen met de hoeven hey. Noh, en dan weutje het wohl.
Sigmund Frued
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-02-14 18:22:23 UTC
Einmal arbeitete ich beim Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz mit ihm.

Tiger Would
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-02-14 19:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiger Would
Guys , your not helping me here....にちらつき


*smirk*....now..

As you all know i am going at the CSM at a completely different angle.
I think i made my intentions pretty clear, yet in the upcoming days i will post clear examples how the future of CSM looks like in my mind.

The opinions i expressed about issues raised will always be second to the opinion of the majority.
And that is exactly what i mean by...."Putting the D back into Democracy".......suggesting it is currently a kind of emocracy.
This is why you want to vote for me, i am sincere and do not have a personal agenda.

I will be pushing to get your voice heard, the voice of veterans, new players and everyone in between from every corner of New Eden.

Please follow me closely upcoming days while i outline what to me seems a big improvement on the current CSM processes.

I want you to feel involved, i want you to feel free to speak up no matter your EvE background, i want you to feel welcome to ask any questions you have without fear of being trampled by Trolls, Your ideas, you have for this beautiful game, must have a seat at the roundtable with CCP Dev's.

Watch this thread! and find out it can be done!

Lets put the D back into Democracy!

Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would

Tiger Would
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-02-15 11:13:33 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70200&find=unread

Created a thread to consolidate all views from me on the CSM7 election and why you should consider voting for me.

Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would

Tiger Would
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-02-15 16:56:53 UTC
Updated OP with link to campaign thread.

Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would

Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-02-15 20:37:19 UTC
Tiger Would
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-02-15 20:41:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiger Would
Quote:
Democracy affords such an opportunity, it's called the ballot box.

Interpretation of a candidates character does not infer a problem with the system.


Thank you for posting Grumpy Owly, mean that.


You make a very valid statement. This ofcourse is true in any regard.
Hence i stated ...."Well, the processes in itself are not the problem as such"......
I had replaced "the system" with "the processes" in this regard.

But let us also recognize that, however close the CSM election process is resembling a real world election, there is a very different reason persisting through in regards to its function.

Let us not kid ourselves here, CCP could have chosen the route many game developing companies have, by just using a public forum and the company website to get interaction with the gaming community at hand.
CSM in that regard is merely dressing up the interaction but in essence has the exact same function, which is quite unlike a real world election. The interaction is sought to have the player base and the game developers on the same page, enhancing player satisfaction, enhancing revenues for the game developer and help game developers understand what “the market” is looking for while staying true to their concept.

In this regard, the CSM should contain people who have the abilities to help structure this interaction. By no means should these people be able to push their own agenda’s. And that is the change I am suggesting, taking out the personal agenda’s where they exist by redefining the flow of information going back and forth. “rolling the hole”, or to put it in other words, closing the gap between the player base and in this case CCP.

But let me make it clear from where I am standing now, I have high respect towards some of the CSM members who have done an excellent job and put in a lot of their time, and actually being “neutral”. I do hope they get re-elected, recognizing the good things they have done. The changes I suggest are just making sure ALL CSM members are neutral. A lot of people (majority) does not bother to vote and get involved because they feel some CSM members were not as neutral as they should be pushing mechanics that would change the game for the worse (less sandbox, more FPS). And let’s be honest here, it is not hard to see what they are talking about.

Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would

Tiger Would
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-02-15 20:50:58 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Posting in the hope for a candidacy view on the following: Bounty Hunting


Let me use your question as an example for an moment.

If you tell me about Bounty Hunting and how it needs attention i would go and look for people that would agree with you and invite you all to sit down and talk about the issue.

I would try to get a feel for the essence what you are trying to say and want CCP attention for.
I would than consolidate those opnions into one paper. If enough people agree, and you agree i captured the essence properly i would than step up to CCP and plan for an online roundtable with CCP Dev's.

I would also invite you and the people who came up with decent details which captured the essence of the issue raised (In this case being "Bounty Hunting") to come and sit at this online roundtable so you can answer questions raised. I would only be there to make notes and being able to help either CCP or you to further structure your idea and/or publish the outcome to the player base.

Effectively taking my opinion out of the equation and thereby closing the gap between the player base and CCP.

Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would

Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-02-15 20:56:32 UTC
Tiger Would wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Posting in the hope for a candidacy view on the following: Bounty Hunting


Let me use your question as an example for an moment.

If you tell me about Bounty Hunting and how it needs attention i would go and look for people that would agree with you and invite you all to sit down and talk about the issue.

I would try to get a feel for the essence what you are trying to say and want CCP attention for.
I would than consolidate those opnions into one paper. If enough people agree, and you agree i captured the essence properly i would than step up to CCP and plan for an online roundtable with CCP Dev's.

I would also invite you and the people who came up with decent details which captured the essence of the issue raised (In this case being "Bounty Hunting") to come and sit at this online roundtable so you can answer questions raised. I would only be there to make notes and being able to help either CCP or you to further structure your idea and/or publish the outcome to the player base.

Effectively taking my opinion out of the equation and thereby closing the gap between the player base and CCP.


Understood, no view, got ya.
Tiger Would
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-02-15 20:58:07 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Tiger Would wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Posting in the hope for a candidacy view on the following: Bounty Hunting


Let me use your question as an example for an moment.

If you tell me about Bounty Hunting and how it needs attention i would go and look for people that would agree with you and invite you all to sit down and talk about the issue.

I would try to get a feel for the essence what you are trying to say and want CCP attention for.
I would than consolidate those opnions into one paper. If enough people agree, and you agree i captured the essence properly i would than step up to CCP and plan for an online roundtable with CCP Dev's.

I would also invite you and the people who came up with decent details which captured the essence of the issue raised (In this case being "Bounty Hunting") to come and sit at this online roundtable so you can answer questions raised. I would only be there to make notes and being able to help either CCP or you to further structure your idea and/or publish the outcome to the player base.

Effectively taking my opinion out of the equation and thereby closing the gap between the player base and CCP.


Understood, no view, got ya.


Ow i do have a view, i am only stating my view should not be involved.
Sorry to hear you did not get the answer you wanted to hear.

Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would

Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-02-15 21:13:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Tiger Would wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Tiger Would wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Posting in the hope for a candidacy view on the following: Bounty Hunting


Let me use your question as an example for an moment.

If you tell me about Bounty Hunting and how it needs attention i would go and look for people that would agree with you and invite you all to sit down and talk about the issue.

I would try to get a feel for the essence what you are trying to say and want CCP attention for.
I would than consolidate those opnions into one paper. If enough people agree, and you agree i captured the essence properly i would than step up to CCP and plan for an online roundtable with CCP Dev's.

I would also invite you and the people who came up with decent details which captured the essence of the issue raised (In this case being "Bounty Hunting") to come and sit at this online roundtable so you can answer questions raised. I would only be there to make notes and being able to help either CCP or you to further structure your idea and/or publish the outcome to the player base.

Effectively taking my opinion out of the equation and thereby closing the gap between the player base and CCP.


Understood, no view, got ya.


Ow i do have a view, i am only stating my view should not be involved.
Sorry to hear you did not get the answer you wanted to hear.


Yes I understood the sarcasm.

I think you might be taking the impartial mediator stance a little too extreme to justify just to say I will offer no bias to any topic. It comes accross more as apathy than getting involved with player interests. Big difference between that an being able to be impartial. As such I lose more respect in your position that you don't offer some personal bias or at least an offering of awareness to the issues surrounding the subject. How can you address a line of questioning or a dialouge with CCP if all you are going to do is read what a player says to them verbatum or rely on others to voice awareness, kind of devalues you as a representative for the council don't you think?

As such the lack of responce specifically to the topic material, simply infer a lack of confidence to your claims of being able to advocate effectively if elected.
Tiger Would
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-02-15 21:22:03 UTC
My mediator role comes from my technical background.
So while we would besitting down and discussing the issue you can be assured i will be raising questions.
Since i will not bother CCP with just any idea.

But do you actually want to know why i run and what i stand for, or do you just want to try and invalidate my stance?
Your line of questioning suggests the latter.

And that is never a good start for a constructive discussion.

Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would

Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-02-15 21:24:21 UTC
Tiger Would wrote:
My mediator role comes from my technical background.
So while we would besitting down and discussing the issue you can be assured i will be raising questions.
Since i will not bother CCP with just any idea.

But do you actually want to know why i run and what i stand for, or do you just want to try and invalidate my stance?
Your line of questioning suggests the latter.

And that is never a good start for a constructive discussion.


No, your lack of least offering an understanding of the issue invalidates any confidence I have in you as a prospective candidate.
Tiger Would
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-02-15 21:28:58 UTC
Thats ok, i will never be able to please everybody.
I can only offer a neutral stance, it is the pinnacle of my campaign.

Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would

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