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Datacore farming with multiple alts.
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Minmat Sebtin
House of Sebtin
#1 - 2012-02-05 07:06:51 UTC
Yeah yeah I know search forums and so on but i'm getting contradictory information so here I am.


I have 12 industry alts (meaning at best they can do courier missions) and I would like to set them all up to farm datacores. Naturally with such large numbers I want to avoid anything that takes up a lot of time and I would rather throw isk at this even if it takes 6 months before I start making a profit.

I figure the data centres are a good start (specifically Caldari) and I wondering what else can speed things up.

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Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#2 - 2012-02-05 07:38:13 UTC
Social Skill V - 25% (5% per level) bonus to agent, corp, faction standing increase
Connections V - 20% (4% per level) modifier to standings from Friendly corps & Factions

Personally I wouldn't bother about the Distribution Connections, sure it increases your LP Gain but it's an expensive skill (21+ Million) for the amount you're going to use it, unless you're going to carry on doing missions, I'm not sure you'd ever get that isk back in LP's but I could be wrong.

Don't forget Research Project Management to IV maybe V, allows you to use an extra R&D agent per level.

There's probably some standing increasing services on the pages, or post up in the want ads area, possibly the mission area (I know, shouldn't cross post) but both seem a good place to ask.
Minmat Sebtin
House of Sebtin
#3 - 2012-02-05 09:01:00 UTC
Thanks for that Emma. With one of my alts I have worked out that with Social 5, Negotiation 4, Connections 4 (those are are my social skills not sure if negotiation does anything) and submitting the following tags:

x9 Guristas Copper Tag.
x20 Guristas Bronze Tag.
x20 Guristas Silver Tag.
x20 Guristas Palladium Tag.
x20 Guristas Gold Tag.
x20 Guristas Electrum Tag.
x20 Guristas Brass Tag

With one courier mission this is enough to use the level three R&D agents for Ishukone. But I don't know if my Corps standings with Ishukone/Caldari State effect each alts standings and unless I level up the appropriate skill (Hydromagnetic Physics in this case) or do some mission grinding it'll take 7.5 months before I make a profit. Nonetheless its a good start.

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#4 - 2012-02-05 11:08:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
That might be the best way to go. Put all your alts in a corp that don't have faction standings with a faction and raise one through missions, and the suggestions below.

Ways to raise faction standing quickly:
Data Center tag missions
Newbie missions
Cosmos Missions (got high standings with Lia Dia this way too)

Then there is missions and storyline every 16 missions.

For Negotiation, it won't matter for standings but does for RP/Day. If you want to look at RP/Day download the program in my sig.

Hope that helps.

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Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-02-05 12:48:02 UTC
Go ahead and do the data center thing, but keep in mind, you can't use Research Agents based solely on faction standings. They have an additional requirement of minimum standing with the research corp in addition to the normal faction/corp/agent standings.
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#6 - 2012-02-05 14:10:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
Nm, checked with the agent and not sure why I can access it.

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Ayzn Betokhn
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2012-02-05 18:10:22 UTC
The research agents do require some corp standing in addition to faction standing. I have two characters working through this now. For Duvolle Laboratories (probably the same for all the research corps) Level 4 agent access requires + 5 to either corp or faction, and + 3 to the corp. Level 3 agents require +3 to corp or faction and + 1 to the corporation. So a high faction standing is a good start, but you still have to do some grinding for the research corporation.
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-02-05 18:41:26 UTC
Minmat Sebtin wrote:
Thanks for that Emma. With one of my alts I have worked out that with Social 5, Negotiation 4, Connections 4 (those are are my social skills not sure if negotiation does anything) and submitting the following tags:

x9 Guristas Copper Tag.
x20 Guristas Bronze Tag.
x20 Guristas Silver Tag.
x20 Guristas Palladium Tag.
x20 Guristas Gold Tag.
x20 Guristas Electrum Tag.
x20 Guristas Brass Tag

With one courier mission this is enough to use the level three R&D agents for Ishukone. But I don't know if my Corps standings with Ishukone/Caldari State effect each alts standings and unless I level up the appropriate skill (Hydromagnetic Physics in this case) or do some mission grinding it'll take 7.5 months before I make a profit. Nonetheless its a good start.


Negotiations increases the number of RPs/day you get.
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-02-05 18:47:41 UTC
Ayzn Betokhn wrote:
The research agents do require some corp standing in addition to faction standing. I have two characters working through this now. For Duvolle Laboratories (probably the same for all the research corps) Level 4 agent access requires + 5 to either corp or faction, and + 3 to the corp. Level 3 agents require +3 to corp or faction and + 1 to the corporation. So a high faction standing is a good start, but you still have to do some grinding for the research corporation.


Are those personal standings or can I have one toon with standings in an altcorp?
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#10 - 2012-02-05 19:29:20 UTC
Train all the alts with Social, Connections and Negotiation to V or as high as you can stand. Train a mission runner with the same skills. Fleet up with no more than 4 alts at a time while mission runner runs level 4 missions. Share standings.

When the alts get 5.0 standings with the agent 1 by 1 let them accept missions fleeted only with the mission runner. Mission runner completes the missions but does not share mission rewards. Rinse and repeat until all 4 alts have 5.0 corporation standings then start over with a fresh 3-4 alts.

If you think long term, it may be better if you avoid letting your alts accept storyline missions, That way they will not count should you ever need standings for a POS.



HTH

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Minmat Sebtin
House of Sebtin
#11 - 2012-02-06 00:38:05 UTC
I did do some mission running (courier of course) with Minmat initially about a year ago to access Ishukone and all my alts are in the same corp, plus they have no standings of their own to anyone. Is this way my alts have access to the level three agents without any grinding?

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Ayzn Betokhn
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2012-02-06 05:33:42 UTC
A character accesses agents based only on their personal standing towards the corp, agent, faction in question. Belonging to a player corporation does not let you access agents that you otherwise could not access on your own. Your corporation standing can let you install jump clones, but not talk to individual agents.
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-02-06 06:08:57 UTC
Giving the IPH numbers, I have to wonder if research agents are worth the SP, time and isk investment. I suppose on an alt account that already has other isk making opportunities maxed it might be worth it.
Minmat Sebtin
House of Sebtin
#14 - 2012-02-06 08:02:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmat Sebtin
Jas Dor wrote:
Giving the IPH numbers, I have to wonder if research agents are worth the SP, time and isk investment. I suppose on an alt account that already has other isk making opportunities maxed it might be worth it.




All of the alts have relevent science skills for use in manufacturing so on average it'll take me about ten days per char to train, and use, RPM up to level three. After I have all my alts set up like this i'm thinking of then training longer skills to boost RP/day and running missions to access level four agents.


EDIT: Another question, does the Social skill impact on standings gained from data centres? I'm thinking that since initially i'm not doing any mission running I can shave off three-four days of skill training.

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AstarothPrime
Pecunia Infinita
#15 - 2012-02-07 12:11:13 UTC  |  Edited by: AstarothPrime
How many datacores can u farm per char per day?

Eve-agents state some rediculous amount such as 300 for lev 4 agent / day... which is obviously false

I.
Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#16 - 2012-02-07 13:44:54 UTC
around 2 per day per lvl4 agent
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#17 - 2012-02-07 14:22:27 UTC
AstarothPrime wrote:
How many datacores can u farm per char per day?

Eve-agents state some rediculous amount such as 300 for lev 4 agent / day... which is obviously false

I.


For certain L4 R&D agents, 300 *points* per day is accurate. But the datacores from those agents cost 150 RP/u instead of 50 or 100. It works out to about 2 datacores/day with perfect skills, otherwise more like 1.7-1.8 per day.

Here's what I get from R&D agents:

L4 - 6.71 standing - Negotiation V - datacore skill at IV - 92.80 RP/day - 50 RP/u to purchase = 1.86/day
L4 - 5.00 standing - Negotiation V - datacore skill at IV - 92.80 RP/day - 50 RP/u to purchase = 1.86/day
L4 - 5.65 standing - Negotiation III - datacore skill at IV - 86.40 RP/day - 50 RP/u to purchase = 1.73/day

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Datacore_Farming

Standing seems to no longer have an effect on the RP/day that you get (some sites say it does).
AstarothPrime
Pecunia Infinita
#18 - 2012-02-07 15:06:08 UTC
Professor Clio wrote:
around 2 per day per lvl4 agent



Ok - thanks guys, all I can say - PFFFF not worth the trouble...

GL

I.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#19 - 2012-02-07 15:38:00 UTC
Worth the trouble if you're skilling up anyway. Once you've set it up, you can just leave it alone to earn you a couple of hundred thousand isk a day, per agent. Just go and collect your data cores when you're in the area anyway.

For someone doing invention, you'd need the skills anyway.

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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#20 - 2012-02-07 15:59:30 UTC
It's between 9M and 15M per month per agent. Nothing special, but if you have the standings and the skills, then running 5 agents is nice slush-fund money over the long term. Just plan on only cashing out about once every few months.
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