Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Problem
All skill training eventually ends, creating the potential for loss of skill points. If it happens that real life keeps you afk until after your skill finishes, your character stops training and you end up short handed. The problem can never be properly addressed by tweaking the skill queue. It can only be addressed by some kind of automatic, non-stop skill training mechanism which must necessarily be distinct from regular skill training.

Proposal
The generic skill. It functions as a backup plan for the skill queue. There is only one of these per character. When the queue has no regular skill in training, it defaults to training the generic skill.

It works the same as training a regular skill only it gives no bonuses and never stops. We can set the primary and secondary attributes and it will generate unallocated skill points from those two attributes at the same rate as training a regular skill. The skill points are saved in attribute-specific pools. Each attribute will have it's own pool of skill points which can only be allocated to skills that depend on that attribute. This limits the allocation of skill points to the category of regular skills that a character would otherwise be training with the same two attributes, presumably the two strongest attributes.

These are all the reason why it's a bad idea. But I'll add one, you've removed the decision of whether you should train that level 5 skill. You now don't need to worry, as you know SP is adding up no matter what. So you've remove a whole swath of decisions and consequences.

I believe the skill system in Eve, is one of it's very strong points. This makes it worse, so no thanks.

The decision is still there, you just make it after you have the skill points rather than before.

Another player had the same great idea and got trolled?

Imagine that.

While this idea is interesting and has merit I don't agree with the method outlined.

The reason I disagree with the specific method is that specifying the attributes to use as primary and secondary would (without your 'work-around') open up the ability to exploit the feature to train skills with different attributes faster than others.

Now, while that exploit can be fixed by assigning what type of skills those skill points can be used for we still have two major problems. The first problem being is the (extremely likely) chance of confusion mentioned in your first reply. The second problem is the fact that instead of using the existing unallocated skill point distribution system in the game, the work-around would require CCP to create an entirely new distribution system with its own set of rules.

Now don't get me wrong, I like the idea of gathering skill points automatically over time as my account is active and then assigning them I just don't think this is the method to use.

With that said, if a system like this was implemented my opinion is that it should use the following mechanics:

• Existing attribute system, implants and training system remain in place.
• Passive skill point accumulation is added and active only when the account is active and no skill is in training.
• Passive skill point accumulation is calculated at 75% of the maximum skill points per hour that can be obtained with a perfectly even attribute map (IE, same amount of points in each stat)
• Passive skill point accumulation does not take in to account implants.
• Points accumulated from passive accumulation can be allocated to any skill.

Any ways that is the basis of how I think the mechanics of a feature like this should work.

Hope you enjoy the feedback.

If you would stop and think logically for a minute you would realize that people will simply dump all their unused skills into Will/Perc to be able to dump them into the next FotM when it rolls around.

ANY system that allows characters to suddenly dump SP into skills faster than they should be able to (by stockpiling, backdating, retraining, buying, or any other stupid idea that people will come up with) is fundamentally abusable and would destroy skills in Eve as we know them by removing the main consequence to training in Eve. It doesn't matter if it would accumulate SP a bit slower than if you were training skills the current way, it will still be horribly abused.

People need to stop posting threads with anything to do with SP because every single one of them is fundamentally flawed and would destroy skill training in Eve. Yes, I know you're upset because you made the wrong decision about what to train or blah, blah, blah, but the point remains that Eve has very real consequences to every single action you do and there is never any "oops" button. If you don't like that there are consequences to your actions in Eve, maybe it isn't the game for you, because that the core philosophy in Eve.

This would be no less exploitable than the previous system, since abusers would simply inject the skills, but would actually hurt any legitimate users because then they couldn't advance any partially trained skills.


This however, this is probably the first legitimate middle ground between "I forgot to add a new skill" and "Live with the consequences" that I've ever seen. I don't think it's needed, and I think at times it might be annoying to have that 2% of a level 5 that you didn't actually need to train, but I think it's a FAR better compromise than any other I've seen before.

I still don't think it's needed though, since the 24h queue works perfectly well if you pay attention (especially with EVEMon yelling at you to put new skills in, lol), but kudos for a halfway decent idea.

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I like it!

+1

This idea would not allow you to add skill points to your attributes. It just creates a separate pool for the skill points generated by each attribute.


The least you can do is explain your assertions. Instead of ranting, give me some concrete examples.

This proposal does not 'mess' with the skill queue. It does not change or replace what is there now, it just creates a backup so that nobody ever falls behind. If you really believe it won't help your game, fine, you would have the option of not using it.