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The big forum fail has landed. Again.
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#201 - 2011-09-18 18:23:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:

There are too many quotes in the post.
I miss quoting pyramids with 20+ levels, like on pouet.net.
Aesthetically awesome, but really annoying. lol


Free verse ?
That's just the way i write in english. *lol*
Also, i'm on my notebook right now ... typing on my mobile or small tablet is insane,
but not related to any forums ... just the android keyboard. lol

Define faster. Well, the old ones, even with the images cached, took around 5-7 seconds to completely build up, (every page)
while the new ones take around a second, altough definitly under three seconds.
Using Opera, version 11.50 ... just like on my mobile and on my archos. (don't know for sure the version on my archos)

I don't quite understand your "fragile scripts" statement, altough i didn't look at the sourcecode ...
... maybe even for a reason that would acknowledge your thoughts,
but that's not the reason i don't look at it.
Just can't stand "modern" script languages.
too much bloat (for an ex-assembler programmer ... which makes totally sense, actually lol)

We were able to adjust the width of the old forums ?
I totally missed that. I really don't see the need to do that - for me - but i acknowledge if others need that feature, totally.

I understand that you have issues with the forums,
but on the other hand i have to say that they are a huge improvement compared to the old ones.

I believe this thread is badly timed. Really.
There was already so much criticism on the old forums,
that i really feels good and refreshing to read positive feedback (dev/gm responses, forums...).


Let us be happy about the positive changes for a while,
before the critics start again. Negative stuff tends to multiply faster than positive ...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#202 - 2011-09-18 18:53:17 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Free verse ?
That's just the way i write in english. *lol*
You should stop doing it. It is bad for you. Paragraphs are your friend. Blink
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Define faster. Well, the old ones, even with the images cached, took around 5-7 seconds to completely build up, (every page)
That sounds an awful lot like a parsing issue, meaning your browser and computer becomes a factor. I don't see the slowdown you're talking about, for instance.
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I don't quite understand your "fragile scripts" statement, altough i didn't look at the sourcecode ...
It has nothing to do with source code — it has to do with javascript. Being a client-side interpreted language, it breaks easily, and there is very little you can do to help it. You can always try to code for every last contingency and possible user setting, but good luck with that. You must also take into account the common practice of simply disabling javascript — stuff like noscript and various anti-spyware will happily ensure that your pretty code (or, worse, google's pretty code) doesn't run.

As such, they are thoroughly unsuitable for things such as controlling navigation — do something wrong or run into some unforeseen contingency, and suddenly, links no longer work. For no good reason, you break the most fundamental building block of the web. And even for less critical things, it's always best to include some kind of fallback in case people kill scripting. These forums break both of these rules: they use scripting for core functionality that the browser already handles far better than any javascript can, and they do not provide fallback functionality for when stuff break or people turn it off.

…for instance, try using the much lauded forum search with scripts turned off. It's possible, but for no good reason, you can't get at parts of it without jumping through many an obnoxious and needless hoop.
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Let us be happy about the positive changes for a while,
Sure. As soon as they start happening…
The Apostle
Doomheim
#203 - 2011-09-18 21:49:08 UTC
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Define "faster"… they load slower ............bla bla bla

Mate. Get this. They are FASTER. What is there about FASTER that needs to be defined!! I hang off a wireless broadband connect in Australia with a latency riding on 300ms - and that's a good day. These forums are FASTER.

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the blending in of the avatars suggests to me that they get loaded on demand, while scrolling ...They don't. That's just pointless javascript bling.

Didn't you want images, coloured text ad nauseum added to the forums? Bling? I hate the stuff, remove it all. This is a forum not a cartoon.

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When it interferes with standard browser behaviour, everything.

err. It doesn't here. Are we in the same universe?

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Javascript has its advantages and benefits — replacing built-in functionality with fragile scripts doesn't qualify as either, nor does the use of javascript to recreate or implement actions that HTML does right out of the box.

Since when? HTML is post-processed. Being able to click on formatting icons, char count etc. requires client-side scripting. Of course, we could send every click or keypress to the server and reload the new HTML page but aww.... if you don't know this already......

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Doing that serves absolutely no purpose beyond making things less reliable and introducing a vast array of incompatibility issues.

This is utter BS. It's 2011. I've been cutting JS since early days and yes there were major issues with formatting in browsers. In 99% of cases it was because function was wrapped with content. The advent and subsequent improvements to CSS and better JS standards has by and large killed of all incompatibilty with JS and the various browers.

As to whether it's neccessary etc. yeah, agree. it's all bling. But so are tags, sigs, images and so on in my view.

But we get it, you hate JS. Perhaps it's because you don't understand it?



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