EVE General Discussion

NO ONE else ? Ha ! We're talking just you specifically here.
Somewhat independent though, sure, you're totally capable of that. Realistic and/or objective though, apparently not so much though.
Your "suggestion" indicates that you are more than willing to swallow without much question whatever "truth" is being peddled early enough and often enough by a large enough or authoritative enough group of individuals without actually requiring any sort of concrete proof regarding the factuality of said truth, nor questioning it much (or at all) later on even in the face of plenty of circumstantial evidence to the contrary.
So, yes, that does equate to "easily brainwashed" in my book. But then again, why do I bother explaining that to you ?

Boo-hoo, why do you attack poor CCP for doing a poor job, don't you know they try oh so-ooo-oh very hard and stuff, go thank the invisible man and his magic zombie clone for everything that ever happened and will happen anywhere in the entire world, shut your pie hole and be content you only need to eat crap once in a while as opposed to all the time ?
No, thanks, I would rather NOT eat any crap at all when all that needs to happen is to convince the cook to check the ingredients properly before preparing a meal and follow basic hygiene protocols.



Hey, I know, how about YOU thank someone today for MY existence instead ?
Then thank that same somebody for me enlightening you to your own flawed logic ?
Then stop thanking him because you realize you're actually only talking to yourself.


Ah, yes, because becoming increasingly more annoyed with almost nothing noteworthy getting done while MANY OTHERS express similar points of contention (but gave up much faster because they realized it's as if they're talking to a brick wall) over the past half year is OH SO OBVIOUSLY just a ruse to get attention and reap the rewards when it finally gets fixed ?

How about if it NEVER gets fixed ? Then I still get to gloat, no ?
OhEmGee, sheer genius, a win-win situation, why didn't I think of that sooner ?
So, basically, you mean, any complaint ANYBODY ever makes can never possibly be because they just genuinely need that junk FIXED ALREADY ? And when nothing gets fixed and they get angry, it's just a clever ploy to get some sort of reputation ?

Oh, wait... you mean just me and a few other "bittervets", right ? Because we MUST have some form of agenda, and we can't just be plain old bitter ? And because we're bitter, nothing we say matters ?

Nice going there, tiger...

...

And I'm the jerk here somehow ?


It's still somewhat of an annoyance that you have to resort to browser-side tweaking (and all what that implies, like, say, having to redo it every time you go on a different new machine) to get something that should be doable server-side.
Plus, the page needs to fully load first before the userscripts start kicking in, but that's also a rather minor annoyance.


Add to that list server-side user-based preference settings for colours, font type, font size and display area, and yes, that would be much better already.

Hamster?

Considering I'll probably be around less

Considering I'll be posting less and less

I won't be around as much considering



Just some tips off of the top of my head. But... good, honestly... in any given situation... removing a self-important attention whore is a good thing.

QFT from "The Apostle" prior to your above comment.



We'll have to agree to disagree. Perception and reality are usually opposed.


As an aside, I saw this... (re: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=11507&find=unread)


Kesshisan said.


This was clear, concise and repeatable.

CCP Zymurgist said.


Issue identified, qualified and being addressed.

You as OP on this topic and forgive my statistics (I hate statistics). 184 replies. 4,517 views. How many CCP responses?

Are you picking up the vibe yet?

TL;DR Modify your "the forum is f****" rants to clear, concise and repeatable points and your dreams will come true. 4-5 lines per issue should be plenty.

Your posts then become solutions and I'll click "I like Akita" until my fingers bleed.

There's nothing to disagree about.
I flat out stated that FOR YOU those are trivial issues but FOR ME they are not.
You're not disagreeing that the issues exist.
I'm NOT saying YOU should believe the issues are not trivial.
I was expressing inherently subjective PREFERENCES, both equally "real".
So about what are we supposed to have to agree to disagree again ?



Want to GUESS how many THREADS and how many different POSTERS have popped up over the past 6 -7 months on the forum test version talking about such things ? Truckloads.
Care to guess how many of THOSE were clear, concise and repeatable points ? Quite a few.
Now can you try and guess how many dev replies were in THOSE threads and to THOSE posts ? As good as none.
Oh, hey, and you know where those threads and posts are all NOW ? Not around anymore.
Are YOU picking up the vibe yet ?

As to the second part - you mean you did click "like" on Tippia's and Grey Stormshadow's posts ?
You know, the kind of posts that are EXACTLY the type of posts you "urge" me to make ?
Like, oh, say, posts number 3 on the first page, 55 on page 3, 180 on page 9 and maybe even the bottom section of 182 on this page ?
But especially Tippia's post #55 on page 3.
Have you ?

Took me to the old forums where there are 57 pages of egocentric drivel. It highlights my point.


Perfect example of how it should be done. Add to that Greyshadow DID a nice CSS hackz that addressed many format issues. And one of his **4** dot point issues (as I pointed out above) is being addressed. (A repeatable event, easy to track and fix).

(which, btw, the "standard" Ctrl+C/V process mitigated anyway. It was an annoyance more than anything).


Lolz. This is exactly what I meant. A MASSIVE wall of text of what HE (you?) think is wrong. Very few, if any solutions, just what HE wants. Without creating yet another WoT , most of them are forum wishlist stuff and have zero bearing on functionality.

In fact, looks to me like someone sat down for many hours with a JS debugger running just to find stuff to complain about.

The irony in all of this is the number of times you have quoted and posted ad nauseum on this very forum "that doesn't work".

Even more ironic is the "like button" (JS even) , that has given you a false sense of knightness. I'm calling, and have always called your little "Mr Popularity" game an egocentric load of codswallop.

Stirring the proverbial riot pot is much easier than actually contributing solution based and positive commentary. Always has been. I know you know that.

TL;DR >> You can only function properly with praise and kudos. Finding populace topic stuff to whine about is what helps you exist. I can see the rebuttal anger creeping as you respond to all of my posts. Why? As Jack once said, Truth! You can't handle the truth!

/troll

Very few solutions ? Are you mad or just plain old blind ?
Or maybe by "solutions" you actually mean "hey, why don't you actually give them the working code" ?
Seriously, how much more plainly do you want the list to state what's wrong and what needs to be done ?
If an item on that list would be "remove thorn stuck in paw" (which is at the same time stating the problem and proposing the solution), your complaints so far would amount to something akin to "but how do you want it removed ? and at what time should it be removed ? stop whining about the damn thorn and explain in vivid detail exactly what you want done with it"...


Nobody said it "doesn't work". I said "for me, it sucks more than the old one". And then, there's a list of reasons why.
In fact, the fact it DOES work to a degree it's what the greater problem is.
There are SOME things that ARE good with the new forum amongst the many other things that are worse or just plain wrong, and it's BECAUSE of that (not in spite of that) that I am angry - because people WILL eventually accept this current piece of junk and almost completely stop complaining, and CCP will stop even bothering to improve it.
When you release a new product, ESPECIALLY after more than half a year of beta testing, some people actually have the audacity to expect a product that's noticeably better than the first beta... but in this case, the two versions (this one now and the first one back then) might as well be identical.
And when you don't even develop it from scratch but instead take an already finished product (yaf) and butcher it then reskin it and hastily duct-tape it to something else you made, then need more than half a year to basically do next to nothing to it except lousily plug the holes you punched yourself in it, how in the friggin' hell can you possibly expect ANY praise whatsoever for that, and why should any of your clients feel grateful again exactly ?


Ah, yes, thank you for your psychoanalysis, doctor, but next time, could we actually meet face to face to have the sessions instead of you reading my newspaper articles and getting some conclusions about my childhood or somesuch from them alone ?




Because having to keep using the old forums instead for a while longer (or even indefinitely, and have the few good things from the new ones added to the old one) would be oh so much of a torture for the same everybody else, "amirite?"

I just wish you could do the forum thinner, I never have my browser windows wider than 900px-ish.

I have no problems whatsoever with the forums on my SAMSUNG mobile
or on my Archos 43, both having Android installed.

The forums are way faster than the old one,
the blending in of the avatars suggests to me that
they get loaded on demand, while scrolling ...
... but that i can't tell for sure, because my connection is pretty fast anyway.

Not to confuse with the fact that the old forums,
even on my fast connection, were still slow.

Wow, that's the first thread of yours i actually can not agree with at least a bit.

Also, what's wrong about JavaScript ?
The JavaScript-Performance-Wars between the browsers had a reason, i believe ...

Also, i can't remember a single forum i've seen where i was able to change the width ...
The ability to change the number of posts per page, or threads per page, that would be nice.

The missing of a dislike has - maybe - the same reason why there is none at facebook.
There never ever will be a dislike button there and that's pretty much a good thing, too.

Anyway ... it's much, much better than the old one.

The free verse format of your posts suggests otherwise…
Define "faster"… they load slower due to being highly unoptimised and requiring far more HTTP requests, as well as far more bandwidth from all the non-cached bloat (even though they've reduced the length of each page by 33%). They're slightly easier for the browser to parse due to not being (entirely) table based, and instead use modern, almost-correct markup, but that is all. If your browser had a bad parser, you might notice a difference between the two.
They don't. That's just pointless javascript bling.
When it interferes with standard browser behaviour, everything. Javascript has its advantages and benefits — replacing built-in functionality with fragile scripts doesn't qualify as either, nor does the use of javascript to recreate or implement actions that HTML does right out of the box. Doing that serves absolutely no purpose beyond making things less reliable and introducing a vast array of incompatibility issues.
The old ones, for one… and they're far from alone.