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The big forum fail has landed. Again.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#1 - 2011-09-06 16:09:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Obviously, not one soul at CCP with some halfway serious pull has been taking any of the constructive (and neither some of the less constructive) criticism to heart, so in spite of the many, many, MANY complaints made towards the form and function of the new forums (or new new forums, or new patched new forums, or whatever you want to call them), since they're pretty much identical (maybe without some of the more glaring security holes) to what we used to have.

The legibility of the forums has been made worse for a large number of people (granted, there's a small section of the population that doesn't really mind, and an even smaller one that even likes it). Older mobile devices are still universally SOL though (apparently, newer, higher resolution ones are quite ok).
There is still no way to make the forums wider, I suppose a forum setting for width would have been oh so much to ask for, just like, oh, maybe allowing us to select a default avatar size.
The entire forum user-end is still heavily reliant on cobbled together javascript, that's so last millennium of you guys.
I could list the many other more or less obvious shortcomings and failures, but honestly, I just give up.

Here's hoping somebody crashes them hard. Again.

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Fine, if so many of you are complaining about "not giving a clear and concise list" (in spite of it being linked by somebody else in post #3 and copypasted verbatim in post #55), here's a quick quote...

Tippia wrote:
Mystic5hadow wrote:
How have they removed functionality? What useless features?
Ok, let's repost that list from April (which hasn't been addressed in any way since).

  • Remove wasted space in border, headers and block-level padding.
  • Remove redundant and duplicate information and links.
  • Remove pointless links.
  • Remove contextually useless — or even harmful — links (e.g. "new thread" next to "new topic" in thread view, where it is not needed and where it is horribly poorly placed).
  • Remove the quote number limits (but keep nested quote limit not to break the layout too much).
  • Remove all javascript link triggers.
  • Remove the interpret-while-typing features from the editor (or at least make it a toggle) — it interferes with the entry of special characters and entities. This will also remove the perceived lag when editing posts.

  • Change settings link to actually link to the forum settings.
  • Change the style of text to allow for browser-based text enlargement.
  • Change the combinations of font and background colours to provide proper contrast (may also require a change of fonts altogether).
  • Change the table-based layout into a semantically correct one.
  • Change heading-style fonts (sizes, weights and decoration) to match the contextual importance of the heading.

  • Consolidate most, if not all, javascript files into one (yes, even the google stuff).
  • Consolidate the "meta-page" links (index, search, dev posts, rules, archives) to all exist side-by-side.
  • Consolidate the personal tracking functions (favourites, RSS) to all exist side-by-side.
  • Consolidate positional navigation (bread crumbs, thread title) into contextually and semantically coherent groups.

  • Restore the sidebar functionality (EVE website, bug reports, account management, downloads, features lists, back-story and lore lists, EVE store, etc etc etc).
  • Restore signatures, with all the standard forum markup.
  • Restore settings to show/hide signatures.
  • Restore settings to show/hide race.
  • Restore images and add CSS-based rules to keep the layout from breaking.
  • Restore proper in-line image alignment.
  • Restore animated smileys.
  • Restore settings to enable/disable images.
  • Restore text decoration (colours, sizes).
  • Restore text markup (code, pre-formatted).
  • Restore post separation design (e.g. through alternating colours).
  • Restore ability to differentiate between viewed and changed threads.
  • Restore normal page behaviours through the use of common HTML so that javascript is not needed to use the forums.
  • Restore design of lists (with hanging first/indented following lines).

  • Add settings for page lengths (number of threads in forum view; number of posts in thread view).
  • Add settings for font sizes.
  • Add settings for width (including auto-width based on text size).
  • Add settings for outbound link warnings.
  • Add settings for portrait size.
  • Add polls (for relevant subforums, e.g. F&I, Assembly Hall, Jita Park).
  • Add Gzip compression.
  • Add proper caching and expiration information to all files.

Ok, not entirely true. On the old list, I also had a note about the gignormous quote graphics, which they have reduced, and an snippy comment about the Like system, which I have then understood the philosophy behind (but I know that others would still keep that on the list).

The really huge issue is the over-abundance of (and occasionally very poorly used) javascript, which actually outright breaks things, and without which many of the fancy new features simply do not work for no good reason (e.g. search). As a result, in some ways the forums don't really have any of the functionality that was missing from the old forums: to make the forums useful, you have to disable the underlying code that (completely needlessly) feeds that functionality.


Too bad the test forums feedback was lost (repeatedly), there were plenty more good ones there too.


FOR SOME USER FIXES, SEE ALSO:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8962
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6555

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CopyCatz
gaming is not a crime
AddictClan
#2 - 2011-09-06 16:13:37 UTC
Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2011-09-06 16:14:53 UTC
…maybe I should copy the list I made for the papercuts thread just to make sure it's not “accidentally’ lost Twisted
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#4 - 2011-09-06 16:15:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
CopyCatz wrote:
Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post.

You can not haz dislike buttan. Twisted

Tippia wrote:
…maybe I should copy the list I made for the papercuts thread just to make sure it's not “accidentally’ lost Twisted

Please do.
I think you had an even longer one somewhere else, but I think that one was *cough* "lost".

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King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-09-06 16:15:37 UTC
Boooooooo

WTF!!!! Where's the Forums!
Vardec Crom
United Caldari Navy
United Caldari Space Command.
#6 - 2011-09-06 16:16:58 UTC
CopyCatz wrote:
Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post.


Your mother's a whore


EDIT: testing the profanity filter
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2011-09-06 16:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: King Aires
These forums are poop

Edit: Oh good, we can still talk like 10 year olds so all the Dust players and new EVE subs that we get from now on can talk on the forums. Roll
Tichu Tilyon
KEEP BACK
#8 - 2011-09-06 16:19:47 UTC
Great no wide screen mode, what a waste of space...
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-09-06 16:22:55 UTC
My first instinct was to post ponies.....

but then i realised, this is EVE Gate

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#10 - 2011-09-06 16:26:27 UTC
And don't get me started on the signatures thing.

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-09-06 16:28:47 UTC
Self important poster whining over lost post count. Yawn.
Yalezorn
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-09-06 16:29:14 UTC
Nothing like 3 inches of useless space on both sides of the screen.
Froz3nEcho Sarain
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-09-06 16:32:39 UTC
CopyCatz wrote:
Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post.


Agreed, to be honest that is the only real feature that is missing. The previous forum was pretty outdated imo and the new style and functions are much appreciated. And about the mobile device part where you were talking about... this forum works better than the old one on my device. Better readable and fits the screen allot better.

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Razin
The Scope
#14 - 2011-09-06 16:32:56 UTC
CopyCatz wrote:
Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post.
Case in point.
King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-09-06 16:32:57 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Self important poster whining over lost post count. Yawn.



Don't you worry, we can all get our post counts back up with the teenies come asking where da titan iz

Oh, and shut your hole
Nin Kimrov
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
#16 - 2011-09-06 16:33:18 UTC
My eyes are bleeding!! This soooo facebook crap, with a touch for mobile telephones....a forced touch.
Tichu Tilyon
KEEP BACK
#17 - 2011-09-06 16:33:51 UTC
Yalezorn wrote:
Nothing like 3 inches of useless space on both sides of the screen.


Yeah, CCP should hire some lean engineers =))
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2011-09-06 16:34:00 UTC
Didn't want to know who wrote each post when browsing the RSS feed anyways...
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-09-06 16:36:19 UTC
Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote:
CopyCatz wrote:
Where's the dislike button? I want to try it on your post.


Agreed, to be honest that is the only real feature that is missing. The previous forum was pretty outdated imo and the new style and functions are much appreciated. And about the mobile device part where you were talking about... this forum works better than the old one on my device. Better readable and fits the screen allot better.



Well, its not the only thing that missing. Images and color tags come to mind. But these forums are a *vast* improvement over what we had before.

OP whining about javascript being used is just being petty. Seriously on any modern computer with a decent connection the difference will never be noticed.
Gallion
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#20 - 2011-09-06 16:36:42 UTC
*/emote: presses the Invisible dislike for this Thread* Lol

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