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stoicfaux
#121 - 2012-02-28 20:33:08 UTC

You cad. It's called an internet opinion blog.

Personally, I keep wanting to write congress to require that every blog and news site include the phrase:

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#122 - 2012-02-28 20:50:59 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
1 - You miss the point of the essay. The point of the essay was who is in control of the conversation, the national debate. Real news, facts, will always need confirmation. How those facts are interpreted and what actions they should prompt is a different matter.


No, YOU missed the point of what I wrote. Let me make this very simple for you:

1) Many facts are difficult to obtain. For example, it is very hard, as a random blogger, to discover that 100 innocent civilians were killed by a drone airstrike unless you read about it in another news source.

2) The mainstream media has the resources to obtain those facts.

Conclusion: the mainstream media isn't going anywhere, and you're just going to have to put up with them controlling the conversation. Even if you got your wish (by magic) and made the mainstream media go away, the result would be a complete absence of news, not the "free" conversation that you imagine.

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2 - Not only are you lying about a politician's positions, you make it pretty clear you worship the state in item two, and this after pointing out you miss the point on item one. I'll let that juxtaposition speak for it self.


In other words, you don't actually know what Ron Paul has been saying, you're talking about a fictional candidate that only exists in your own mind. Perhaps you should do a little more research on your hero before you accuse me of lying about his positions?



Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
My favorite part about your post is how it changes nothing and how it shows your way if thinking being steamrolled by reality.


My favorite part about your post is how it contains nothing more than empty boasting of how awesome you are, instead of an attempt to argue against anything I said.

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article about politicians and dirty tricks that nobody is in any way surprised by


Complain all you want, but if you think Ron Paul is any better than those people you're completely delusional. Do you really think that Ron Paul would hesitate for even a second if he actually had the power to do something like that to ensure his own election?

Also, I'm amused that you think a site full of 9/11 conspiracy morons is actually a valid source of information. Can we please limit this discussion to more reliable sources?

Adunh Slavy
#123 - 2012-02-28 21:46:01 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:

Conclusion: the mainstream media isn't going anywhere, and you're just going to have to put up with them controlling the conversation. Even if you got your wish (by magic) and made the mainstream media go away, the result would be a complete absence of news, not the "free" conversation that you imagine.


You are so blinded by your love of the establishment media and your statist masters you can't even see where we agree. I will start to now point out the sky is blue so you can show us all how silly your arguments are.

Merin Ryskin wrote:

In other words, you don't actually know what Ron Paul has been saying, you're talking about a fictional candidate that only exists in your own mind. Perhaps you should do a little more research on your hero before you accuse me of lying about his positions?


LOL, who made you the arbiter of fact? There is 40 years of a consistent record and adherence to the philosophy of liberty to back up Paul. All you have is the distortions of the establishment media you so jealously defend.

If you have a particular topic you want to discuss, bring it up. If you expect me to spend time going after each and everyone of your lies, you're full of your own self importance. Of course such threads are likely to be locked, surprised this one is still going actually. Let's have it, and we'll see who's full of ****.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#124 - 2012-02-28 21:49:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Let me get this straight, Merin here thinks Ron Paul is more imaginary than Derpy Hooves?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#125 - 2012-02-28 22:23:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Merin Ryskin
Adunh Slavy wrote:
LOL, who made you the arbiter of fact? There is 40 years of a consistent record and adherence to the philosophy of liberty to back up Paul. All you have is the distortions of the establishment media you so jealously defend.


Who needs an arbiter of fact when you have Ron Paul's own words to prove his racism and conservative Christian stupidity?

Adunh Slavy wrote:
You are so blinded by your love of the establishment media and your statist masters you can't even see where we agree. I will start to now point out the sky is blue so you can show us all how silly your arguments are..


I don't love the establishment media, I just recognize that it exists because of factors that are pretty much unavoidable, and that any claim (such as the linked article) that blogs/independent writers/etc will replace it (and bring on the libertarian revolution) are pure fantasy material.

If you agree with me and don't defend the article, then why are you arguing with me?

Nova Fox wrote:
Let me get this straight, Merin here thinks Ron Paul is more imaginary than Derpy Hooves?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk


No, I think that the "Ron Paul" that isn't a racist conservative Christian is purely imaginary. Unfortunately, most Ron Paul fans don't seem to realize just how terrible a person he is.
stoicfaux
#126 - 2012-02-28 22:31:47 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:

No, I think that the "Ron Paul" that isn't a racist conservative Christian is purely imaginary. Unfortunately, most Ron Paul fans don't seem to realize just how terrible a person he is.

Yeah so? George Washington was a racist conservative/libertarian Christian and he's still pretty popular today. Big smile

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#127 - 2012-02-28 22:39:13 UTC
Statists are an interesting breed. Had a run-in a couple of weeks ago with one of them. Don't expect reason from them. It truly is a mental illness of sorts. The statist I dealt with was saying he could get me in all kinds of trouble and didn't like that my girlfriend had a gun on her either. He went on some rant talking up his government service and I let him be wrong on all counts until a hole opened up to distract him and we made our extrapolation without further trouble.

That's the point about statists and control freaks I like to make. If I wanted to traffic drugs, for example, I would end up having to deal with rather scummy people for those ends. You won't find any good people amongst the pool of traffickers. The same would go for sex slavery, murder for hire or mercenaries (and I have had the misfortune of meeting some of them - the Jack Payne character from "Shooter"(2007) is real).

To have a tyranny built on lies, you won't get good people either. Even the good guys who get hoodwinked eventually catch on. Happy I was serving my country until one day one of our allies was bombing the crap out of the very same people we were sent to protect. I know a lot of ex cops who signed up because they truly are sheepdogs but could not deny they were becoming revenuers and oppressors. They left, leaving behind the "shave head roid rage types".

So back to the control freaks and statists... they are easy to manipulate and distract. Their outlook is predicated on living in a lie, so lies have power over them. If discernment was a gland in our bodies, they lost that gland. Because of that, it's almost like that "these are not the droids you are looking for" scene from "Star Wars" is do-able.

So we should expect those who follow FOX and the MSM (mainstream media) to go into denial. Partly out of fear, and mainly out of ego. Americans have the biggest egos on earth, so for someone to be able to think about the implications of other ideas and claims means they might have to accept they were fooled or wrong in the past. That's impossible for a lot of people. That's what we are seeing here.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#128 - 2012-02-28 23:06:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Abraham Lincolin wanted to ship all the black people back to africa so they could be re-enslaved by the zulu.
Another reason why I laugh at any Zulu who claims his anscestors where slaves and I tell them to go wiki thier tribe up its a wonderful feeling to go around popping over inflated egos.

Dunno most liberals I have personally met never had a reality check on how horrible human kind really is. One trip though the worst of the world thanks to the internet and thier foundation of thier belifes get shattered quite horribly.

Now I have met level headed progressives that acknowledge that the world is effed up but it doesnt have to be status quo, to bad none of those guys are democrats or in power around here.

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Adunh Slavy
#129 - 2012-02-29 04:40:13 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:

Who needs an arbiter of fact when you have Ron Paul's own words to prove his racism and conservative Christian stupidity?


ROFL, you're proving my point for me, keep going.


Merin Ryskin wrote:

I don't love the establishment media, I just recognize that it exists because of factors that are pretty much unavoidable, and that any claim (such as the linked article) that blogs/independent writers/etc will replace it (and bring on the libertarian revolution) are pure fantasy material.


No one said they would, duh! Shesh. Reading comprehension ... let me guess, you went to one of the government run schools. Did you get a trophy for effort when you came last in the race too?

Merin Ryskin wrote:

If you agree with me and don't defend the article, then why are you arguing with me?


If you're not aware enough to understand where I agree with you, then you won't understand the answer either.

Nova Fox wrote:
Let me get this straight, Merin here thinks Ron Paul is more imaginary than Derpy Hooves?


She has no idea who he is other than what, I'm going to guess MSNBC and CNN, say.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Adunh Slavy
#130 - 2012-02-29 04:56:39 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Statists are an interesting breed.

...



Another interesting thing about them is they are so ingrained into the left-right discussion that they rarely comprehend any thing out side that. What I find most amazing about those who cling to the state, fail to see that their addiction enables those with whom they disagree. They'll whine and scream about freedom and equality on some issues, but promote the state on other issues.

They whine about things like "compromise" and wonder what the hell happened when nothing good came of their whines about freedom. But they got their new intrusive state powers passed, half assed implemented; creating a whole new set of problems.

On matters that are not political they often try to turn everything into a dualist argument out of pure habit. It's pretty sad. Having been in debates with both those on the right and those on the left, I do have to say those on the right tend to be more polite.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#131 - 2012-02-29 05:14:01 UTC
Well thank you Russia Today for telling us about this latest assault while the American zombie control grid (aka: media) concentrates on their own lie about some guy winning polls for some mysterious reason even though he can't draw a crowd.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#132 - 2012-02-29 05:17:04 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Statists are an interesting breed.

...




On matters that are not political they often try to turn everything into a dualist argument out of pure habit. It's pretty sad. Having been in debates with both those on the right and those on the left, I do have to say those on the right tend to be more polite.



Haven't been to a state GOP convention I see.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Adunh Slavy
#133 - 2012-02-29 05:23:07 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Adunh Slavy wrote:

... those on the right tend to be more polite. ...

Haven't been to a state GOP convention I see.


Bolded an important bit there :)

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Kayosoni
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-02-29 07:22:27 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Is a Republican Super Pac

Send a message, use parental control, block FOX!


What makes you any better, or less bigoted, trying to impose your views on other people?

get out hypocrite.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#135 - 2012-02-29 08:07:08 UTC
This thread is like watching two jews fighting to death over a penny or two catholic priests fighting over a young boy.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#136 - 2012-02-29 09:09:19 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Well thank you Russia Today for telling us about this latest assault while the American zombie control grid (aka: media) concentrates on their own lie about some guy winning polls for some mysterious reason even though he can't draw a crowd.




looks to be around the same number of people, the only difference is one is inside a building and one inside a massive stadium.
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2012-02-29 11:50:54 UTC

Quote:
Appellate Court Rules Media Can Legally Lie.
By Mike Gaddy. Published Feb. 28, 2003
On February 14, a Florida Appeals court ruled there is absolutely nothing illegal about lying, concealing or distorting information by a major press organization. The court reversed the $425,000 jury verdict in favor of journalist Jane Akre who charged she was pressured by Fox Television management and lawyers to air what she knew and documented to be false information. The ruling basically declares it is technically not against any law, rule, or regulation to deliberately lie or distort the news on a television broadcast.


That alone should be telling enough. Then agian, one need only a small glance at Faux News to see what it really is.
Angriest Angel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2012-02-29 12:09:07 UTC
you know that the only people that watch fox news are those hardcore republicans at wall street and the trailer trash in the rest of the country, so no need to bring Fox News into this place.
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2012-02-29 12:13:29 UTC
Angriest Angel wrote:
you know that the only people that watch fox news are those hardcore republicans at wall street and the trailer trash in the rest of the country, so no need to bring Fox News into this place.


And yet, there is a lot of them. US is quickly heading down the drain and becoming a police state. News agencies should be the guardian of such things and inform the public, but now they are enabling it instead.

I find it worthy to discuss such things, if only to bring it to the attention of thoose who have not yet considred it.

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#140 - 2012-02-29 16:21:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Angriest Angel wrote:
you know that the only people that watch fox news are those hardcore republicans at wall street and the trailer trash in the rest of the country, so no need to bring Fox News into this place.


? Im a casual conservative going to a college living a house thats pertty decent and wont blow up if a tornado comes nearby.

My point of view is I see a current government trying to dictate my entire life. Telling me Im too rich even though I was technically getting paid less than minimal wage the year before. Saying I don't deserve the money my blood sweat and tears was spilled for. They already told me I dont deserve my job a year ago, they're doing thier best to backpedal out of a contract to pay me to go to school.

American Liberals playing eve is almsot an oxymoron well... unless they're carebares that complain about getting ganked.

also according to MSN and Card Ratings republican states typically are much better at paying thier bills.

http://money.msn.com/credit-rating/red-states-credit-beats-the-blues-cardratings.aspx

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