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LOL, way to try and make it a left-right thing, I rest my case.

No, not that late. I prefer the US (federal) law, where abortion is legal early on (before the blob of cells is anything remotely resembling a "person"), but not late in development unless it is necessary for medical reasons. As long as the dividing line is placed according to scientific knowledge about when a baby gains consciousness/the ability to feel pain/etc, this is the best compromise between protecting both innocent lives and the life of the mother.

Not that it's really all that much of an issue, since a woman who does not want a child is going to get an abortion at the earliest possible opportunity. A "just before birth" abortion is only going to happen in the case of serious medical problems.



Err, lol? Right-wing authoritarianism:

*War on terror. Best way to pass lots of laws removing fundamental rights? Declare war on an abstract concept, ensuring that you will always have enemies to justify Doing What Must Be Done. Now you can arrest your own citizens with no warrant or criminal charges (after spying on them without a warrant, of course), throw them in a secret prison without access to a lawyer, and not even bother with that pesky trial thing because they might be proven innocent.

*War on drugs. Warrant-less seizure where the burden of proof is on you to prove your innocence if you want your property back, no-knock raids, massive expansion of police power, harsh mandatory minimum sentences for victimless crimes. But hey, at least we can scare people into re-electing "tough on crime" politicians to solve the problem.

*War on people Jesus hates. Priorities when you have serious economic problems to deal with: define marriage as between one man and one woman, ban abortion, ban "obscene" materials, etc.

At least left-wing authoritarianism usually involves expanding the government to provide benefits for people, instead of just punishing those who "deserve" it with little concern for collateral damage.

No, you made no case.

We get fox here and I like to catch it once in a while.

My point is that you made a blanket, shallow declaration on abortion and upon further query discovered that your views are closer to being conservative than left wing. I'd say that in both countries. Life does begin at contraception so i can see where they are coming from but I do find it unreasonable to bestow personhood to something immediately at conception. That is a pretty fringe right wing movement in anycase as far as i can tell and certainly does not contain the entirety of the rights views on abortion.
I would be a case in point.

LOL, way to try and make it a left-right thing, I rest my case.[/quote]

No, you made no case.[/quote]

Sure I did, I clearly defined a four point map, two axis, and you stumble in and try and make it a dualist argument.

Sorry, try again.

Ive seen enough dead people to know that what one side wants is going to get alot more people killed when civilization collaspes.

Zombie Apoclasyp is comming.

War on Proverty is being fought entirely the wrong way.

And why in the hell are we punishing success to reward failure?

Gold is worthless when government and society go to hell.

When you depend on the government to give you everything doesnt that mean they have the power to take everything away?

Also if you're so liberal why are you playing this game to be honest, liberal people dont survive long in new eden.

1) Like most people who argue that the end of traditional media is near, this moron doesn't seem to understand that most of those "independent" writers he loves do little more than parrot the stuff written by traditional media. Without organized reporters/writers/etc to get to newsworthy events, do research, get information out to a wide audience, etc, where does he think he's going to get his facts? Does he really think that some random blogger is going to go off to the middle of a war, for example?

2) TBH, the best thing for the libertarian cause would be for Ron Paul to STFU. Not that I actually want libertarians anywhere near power, but let's be honest here: Ron Paul's racism, misogyny, and general conservative religious idiocy do a very good job of making the "movement" look bad. And if anarcho-capitalist idiocy ever became a relevant force in politics, everyone would hear all of the worst of Ron Paul's "ethics" 24/7.

Nice false dilemma fallacy. You conveniently miss the third option: industrialize, but pay the workers enough to have a decent standard of living, ban unsafe working conditions, etc. The only problem with doing this is that it conflicts with unrestricted capitalism, since it would cut into corporate profits. Which is exactly his point: unrestricted capitalism causes massive and unnecessary suffering, it just hides it from most customers, and everyone is happy as long as their new iphone is $1 cheaper.

Thank you for showing your bias and ignorance.

My favorite part about your post is how it changes nothing and how it shows your way if thinking being steamrolled by reality.

I will now bask in what people like me are going to be doing to people like you for a long long time.


Markos ignored the very real trajectory of Ron Paul just like his friends on the supposedly liberal side of the establishment media...

Hey, watch out for my trap....

All I see is a bitter rant full of fact holes