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Returning newbie

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Dimitri Raven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-02-04 18:07:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Dimitri Raven
Hello everyone,

I started playing Eve back in August of 2011. I played for a couple of months casually and began my journey into L2 missions. I had completely fitted out my Vexor and was ready to begin L2 missions once I picked up a couple more skill training books.

I accidentally entered 0.4 space and fell into a death trap, destroying my ship. This is the first time I experienced this level of defeat. I realized quickly that I had jumped into the L2 missions too quickly, as I did not have enough ISK to reproduce my fitting. I quit shortly after to try out SWTOR. Needless to say, I am back here :)

I currently have 12 million ISK and am unsure what to do. Should I try and build a budget Vexor and start L2 missions? Or should I backtrack, buy a new Catalyst and repeat L1's?

Any advice would be appreciated, I truly feel lost.

Thanks,

Dimitri Raven
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-02-04 19:26:39 UTC
From the sound of things it wasn't the L2 mission that was the issue, but you going to low security space and getting killer by players. If this is indeed the case and you want to do some missioning, it might be better to just avoid going to low security space until you're more familiar with how things work and can afford to lose a ship or two without money issues. If you pay attention to your travel route, it should highligh low security areas. You might also want to pick a agent who isn't next to a low security system, so you won't get missions there. Also remember to insure your ship. It's an additional cost you might want to avoid, but considering you can't afford to lose another cruiser right now, it's better to be safe then sorry.

Doing L2 missions in a cruiser shouldn't be difficult. The only difficulty comes from your lack of knowledge if any. Just tank your ship properly against the mission rats and train up your drone skills, so your drones can easily handle everything that gets past your guns. If you don't know how to fit your ship properly, just ask and someone will give a standard missioning fit, that you can adapt to your needs. Here's a link to a good PvE content guide site. You might want to fly without using it, but it's good to know it's there, if you encounter problems.

I do feel the need to point out there are many different ways to make income even for a new player. Missioning is a decent income source and you need to do them to get your standings up, but they aren't varied enough to keep doing forever, so keep in mind you've got many different choices to choose from.

Feel free to ask more questions, if you have any.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2012-02-04 22:29:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
For what it is worth, it is possible for a complete rookie to go to random lowsec systems (keep moving) and rat the asteroid belts and anomalies (use your ship scanner to find these) in a frigate / destroyer / cruiser, lose a lot of ships to pirates, and still come out ahead from NPC bounties while having fun and learning a ton about PvP.
Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-02-04 23:38:14 UTC
i know the feeling m8 its just recently happened to me i strayed into low sec...boom......like yourself on a budget aswell.
stay with the lvl2 missions, salvage them aswell if you can and do some mining isk will begin to build up.

"If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried"

"If your boss is getting you down, look at him through the prongs of a fork and imagine him in jail"

Liam Mirren
#5 - 2012-02-05 09:36:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
Losing one's first ship or your first wardec and all that is a daunting thing in EVE, we've all been there :) The thing you need to realise about EVE is that it's full of risk... until you decide to change that. Once you choose to think before you act, to prepare&learn and not just to assume you'll find things will go a lot better.

First of all, you entered low sec space, there's no reason to go to low sec when you want to do missions. You don't have to pick a low sec agent and if you choose one that isn't close to low sec then he won't send you there. If you want more info on how to make a reasoned decision about which NPC corp/agent to use, check the link in my signature. One of the guides talks about that.

Onto your "not sure if I'm ready": being ready for things in EVE isn't necessarily about SP, it's mostly about knowing what the hell you're doing. If you learned about how to make a decent Vexor fit and you figured out how to find which NPC you'll fight (and thus which resists to fit) you'll come well prepared. And as stated earlier, being prepared is all that matters.

Here's a very basic fit for a LVL 2 vexor, switch out with named or T2 where you can, I've put named/T2 mods where I think you need to spend a little bit. Rigs aren't needed (I wouldn't fit them on a cruiser as a "poor" newbie, keep the isk for your myrmidon). Also, fit whatever turrets you want, while they can add a bit of damage it's mostly about pulling aggro before launching drones. A civilian blaster would also work for that.


[Vexor, lvl 2 - basic - Serpentis]
Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Armor Thermic Hardener I
Armor Thermic Hardener I
Armor Kinetic Hardener I

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

200mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun I, Antimatter Charge M
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Drone Link Augmentor I



Hobgoblin I x8
Hammerhead I x5
Hammerhead I x1

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-02-05 11:56:20 UTC
Dimitri Raven wrote:
Hello everyone,

I started playing Eve back in August of 2011. I played for a couple of months casually and began my journey into L2 missions. I had completely fitted out my Vexor and was ready to begin L2 missions once I picked up a couple more skill training books.

I accidentally entered 0.4 space and fell into a death trap, destroying my ship. This is the first time I experienced this level of defeat. I realized quickly that I had jumped into the L2 missions too quickly, as I did not have enough ISK to reproduce my fitting. I quit shortly after to try out SWTOR. Needless to say, I am back here :)

I currently have 12 million ISK and am unsure what to do. Should I try and build a budget Vexor and start L2 missions? Or should I backtrack, buy a new Catalyst and repeat L1's?

Any advice would be appreciated, I truly feel lost.

Thanks,

Dimitri Raven


You really need the skills to fit ships appropriately for the lvl of missions you want to do. So, do the missions you know you can handle until you gain the skills.

You can do higher levels if you have a fleet of friends. It will help you with ISK and standings tremendously.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net

Dimitri Raven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-02-05 21:27:07 UTC
Thank you all for your replies, advice and encouragement. I should clarify; I had entered the 0.4 Amamake(sp) system to pick up a skill book I purchased, and it turned out to be a trap. I will steer clear for now :)

I was able to acquire a good basic build for the Vexor. I did overlook salvaging, I think I will pick that up! I started L2 missions near the Dodixie system and am enjoying myself.

Again, thank you! I really admire the maturity of this community.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2012-02-06 09:29:56 UTC
Dimitri Raven wrote:
Thank you all for your replies, advice and encouragement. I should clarify; I had entered the 0.4 Amamake(sp) system to pick up a skill book I purchased, and it turned out to be a trap. I will steer clear for now :)

I was able to acquire a good basic build for the Vexor. I did overlook salvaging, I think I will pick that up! I started L2 missions near the Dodixie system and am enjoying myself.

Again, thank you! I really admire the maturity of this community.

Amamake is a PvP hotbed, as it is just outside the major trade hub of Rens (fast to replace your ship).

Rancer, Tama, and Aunenen are other notable lowsec systems.

Rancer is the only system I have on my avoidance list, because even when I want to go through lowsec, I don't want to go through Rancer!

Great places to go though if you are looking for a fight.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#9 - 2012-02-06 10:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Dimitri Raven wrote:
Thank you all for your replies, advice and encouragement. I should clarify; I had entered the 0.4 Amamake(sp) system to pick up a skill book I purchased, and it turned out to be a trap. I will steer clear for now :)


Yeah... Amamake is known as a "chokepoint system" that every pirate who wants to make a name for him/herself goes to. When you understand the game mechanics better, build a cheapo combat frigate and try going there again (or the systems Old Man Star and Tama). Every experience is different and will teach you something new.

Pro-tip: always try to convo someone who killed you and [politely] ask how they did it. Worst case scenario is that they troll you and you go about as you were. But, if they are receptive, they may point out how they did what they did, give you lessons on some mechanics, and tell you how you can better improve yourself.
It's always worth a shot. After all... this is a game. Smile

Dimitri Raven wrote:
I was able to acquire a good basic build for the Vexor. I did overlook salvaging, I think I will pick that up! I started L2 missions near the Dodixie system and am enjoying myself.


Pro-tip: save yourself some future trouble and try to put some distance between your "mission running system" and the trade hubs. Some more unscrupulous players who hang around the hubs will find ways to enter your mission as you are doing it and take advantage of your general lack of knowledge of the game.

Dimitri Raven wrote:
Again, thank you! I really admire the maturity of this community.


*snort*
How do I put this... you will usually find [a majority of] mature responses here in the New Citizens Q&A section simply because it caters to genuinely new players. Once you post questions outside of here it all goes downhill. So watch your step. Blink


Also... one last Pro-tip: Find yourself a corporation/alliance. In joining one, you will [hopefully] gain access to a wealth of information and experience that would normally take you ages to fully acquire/understand/experience, much less navigate/apply. You can look for some corps under the Alliance & Corporation Recruitment forum section... but I've found that looking around, getting to know the "locals" in your area better, and befriending/joining them yields far better results.
Devore Sekk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-02-08 01:48:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Devore Sekk
Before venturing into low sec, it's a good idea to use the in-game intel first. There's lots of good stuff in low sec, ratting is better, PI is better, anomalies are better, mining is better. Some systems are deserted, some have a bunch of people sitting in stations, some are full of mining corps, some have pirates on gates or roaming. Also, time of day makes a difference, lots of people playing all over the world, and they tend to join corps with people playing in the same time zones.

Go into the map, and on the stars tab check out the statistics: pilots in space, pods destroyed, ships destroyed, recent jumps. This will tell you how busy and dangerous the system is. It's not foolproof, but if your map lights up with a giant yellow blob at the system you were about to jump into, it might have been a very short visit. You can also use a cheap shuttle to scout out the system and locations you're wanting to visit, and always keep your eyes peeled on local.

As for PvP, if you're looking for it, you will find it, and it's a good place to throw some cheap frigs at. But if you're trying to do PvE-type stuff in a noob ship, chances are you can't fit it well both to do PvE and PvP survivability, and mostly you'll learn that a command ship dropping on your cheap T1 cruiser makes for a very short and one-sided fight.