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I544CJON35 Aldent
Incursion Omega
Cosmos Origins
#1 - 2012-02-04 17:07:31 UTC
Hey everyone, I'm having some issues with my armor tank. Here's my setup:


[Dominix Navy Issue, My Dominix]
Dark Blood Large Armor Repairer
Dark Blood Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Dark Blood Energized Reactive Membrane
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Optical Tracking Computer I, Tracking Speed
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I

350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Warden II x5


I'm trying to get a decent enough tank to do level 4's by myself. However, my resists are only about 70%, how do I raise them?
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#2 - 2012-02-04 17:09:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Don't omni tank it...fit hardeners specific to the rats you're fighting.

Also, unless you're trying to afk mission, that's waaaay over tanked. Most (not all) missions can be done with 3-5 modules dedicated to tank/cap, not including the rigs.

thhief ghabmoef
Arcosian
Arcosian Heavy Industries Corp Holding
#3 - 2012-02-04 18:17:24 UTC
The poster above me is correct you don't want to omni tank it. Only tank the damage types the rats are putting out. Back a long time ago when I used to use a dominix this is the fit I used.

[Dominix, Maxed Domi]
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Garde II x5

Hardwires:
PG8
AX-2
CC8
CX-2
ZGL1000


The guns have a range of 27+24 with antimatter but you can use plutonium or uranium and get about 40 km optimal without losing too much DPS as most of the domi's DPS comes from the drones. It spits out 1040DPS with gardes and has a 600 DPS tank against serps. That tank is effectively higher if you "drone tank" a bit.

The only bad thing about it is using sentries will keep you stuck in one place. I was so glad when I finally got my Kronos and could kill things while I moved to the next gate.
Ahhaa
The Warped Corpe
#4 - 2012-02-04 18:41:05 UTC
Im primarily a Gallente pilot - I love the Domi. I think the Kronos is a better option BUT !!!!! consider the Gila. Shield tanked - resists for what you are killing with max shield rep ( IE low slots and rigs ) . Huge drone bay - Bandwidth same as Domi - smaller sig rad and faster . Launch Sent drones , orbit your drone at 500 with AB on ... rinse and repeat. I can run sanctums, haven .. all solo need help with 8/10 and higher but you get the point and oh ya - Cheaper!
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-04 23:37:16 UTC
Ignore your resists. Just maximise your ehp/s against the faction you are fighting. Incidentally, this involves using resist modules. Use pyfa/EFT's damage profile tools.

We all know for a fact that, unless there's a logi involved, in a L4 mission it's better to have stable 600ehp/s against Guristas than stable 500ehp/s, but higher resists.

Just don't think 'I need to get my resists 80+ by any means necessary!', and you'll be alright.
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-02-04 23:50:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzzmong
As the others have said, it's not a good fit.

Repeating that the 1x LAR and 4x Mission specific hardeners setup will see you through every level 4.


Once you drop down to one LAR, you won't need that fitting mod in the lows either.

Personally, I've run something this:

Lows:
4x Hardener II
1x LAR II
1x Mag Stab
1x CPR II

Meds:
4x Cap Charger II (over kil)
1x AB II

High:
5x 350mm II's
1x Drone Link.

CCC rigs maybe to suit.
Sets of Sentries, Heavies and Lights. Job done, although not in the most damaging way, probably could drop a Cap Charger II or two for an Omni tracking link(s).
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-02-05 00:00:31 UTC
I544CJON35 Aldent wrote:
Hey everyone, I'm having some issues with my armor tank. Here's my setup:


[Dominix Navy Issue, My Dominix]
Dark Blood Large Armor Repairer
Dark Blood Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Dark Blood Energized Reactive Membrane
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Optical Tracking Computer I, Tracking Speed
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I

350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Warden II x5


I'm trying to get a decent enough tank to do level 4's by myself. However, my resists are only about 70%, how do I raise them?



Even Omnitanked you can't tank LVL 4's with that?

Omnitanked it has a higher average tank than my standard Domi with specific mission hardeners and far less pimp. And mine does fine running L4's solo.
Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#8 - 2012-02-05 00:15:59 UTC
Shield tank the Domi especially the N Domi as the cost of them has dropped dramatically they make great shield tanking ships
Mardero
#9 - 2012-02-05 03:16:07 UTC
Get a Rattlesnake.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#10 - 2012-02-05 03:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ACE McFACE
DarkAegix wrote:
Ignore your resists. Just maximise your ehp/s against the faction you are fighting. Incidentally, this involves using resist modules. Use pyfa/EFT's damage profile tools.

We all know for a fact that, unless there's a logi involved, in a L4 mission it's better to have stable 600ehp/s against Guristas than stable 500ehp/s, but higher resists.

Just don't think 'I need to get my resists 80+ by any means necessary!', and you'll be alright.

But you say ignore the resists by using resists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-05 03:52:22 UTC
591 DPS omni-tank should tank just about anything. Unless you like to pull all the triggers in a mission like The Assault and end up with a dozen battleships pounding on you.
I544CJON35 Aldent
Incursion Omega
Cosmos Origins
#12 - 2012-02-05 20:05:22 UTC
I would fit the specific hardeners but I'm worried about not being cap stable for my repairers.

I was told I needed a big tank, something like 400 dps at least. I couldn't for the life of me get anywhere near there -- just about half that -- with one LAR. So I got another one and the rest of the fit just followed suit. I did have an original domi that rocked the one LAR type of fit, but I was always doing L4's with my buds.

Here's the thing, my real concern behind this post: my buds are both Caldari. Drake or Raven they can solo any mission I've ever heard of on a shield tank. As a Gallente armor rep pilot do I ever have the possibility of standing up to their level of "tankability" / dealing dps? All those rockets, missiles, bombs, etc just seem to out perform any drone or hybrid charge combination that I can put together.

I don't want to sound like I'm complaining, I'm looking for ideas or advice on how to maximize a navy domi. I can tell that having two LAR's are not optimal. What you've all been posting has been helpful, I do appreciate them.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-02-05 20:26:55 UTC
I544CJON35 Aldent wrote:
I would fit the specific hardeners but I'm worried about not being cap stable for my repairers.

I was told I needed a big tank, something like 400 dps at least. I couldn't for the life of me get anywhere near there -- just about half that -- with one LAR. So I got another one and the rest of the fit just followed suit. I did have an original domi that rocked the one LAR type of fit, but I was always doing L4's with my buds.

Here's the thing, my real concern behind this post: my buds are both Caldari. Drake or Raven they can solo any mission I've ever heard of on a shield tank. As a Gallente armor rep pilot do I ever have the possibility of standing up to their level of "tankability" / dealing dps? All those rockets, missiles, bombs, etc just seem to out perform any drone or hybrid charge combination that I can put together.

I don't want to sound like I'm complaining, I'm looking for ideas or advice on how to maximize a navy domi. I can tell that having two LAR's are not optimal. What you've all been posting has been helpful, I do appreciate them.


It's not a navy domi, and I haven't actually flown the poor girl in many months (I am much better skilled now). But this fit tanked every level 4 I have run solo. And at the time I was running out of Amarr space (not as optimal for a gallente ship)

Back then I could also not yet use T2 Heavies or Sentries. Setup as below it tanks 491 against serpentis. and is cap stable at 44% with everything going.

[Dominix, Updated current 9/27/2011]

350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor I

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Capacitor Power Relay II
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Capacitor Power Relay II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
[Empty Rig slot]


Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-02-05 20:39:23 UTC
Just for giggles i threw this fit together really quick. Again based on my skills (Havent played a full year yet) it tanks the same (491 vs serp as shown below)

Honestly on paper my regular domi has a slightly better DPS. That being said without a tracking computer it's hybrid damage may be less in real terms.

Either way, cap stable at 35%.

[Dominix Navy Issue, Dominix Navy Issue fit]

350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
350mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor I

Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Optical Tracking Computer I, Tracking Speed
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I


Garde II x5
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#15 - 2012-02-05 23:22:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
I544CJON35 Aldent wrote:
I would fit the specific hardeners but I'm worried about not being cap stable for my repairers.


And that´s not really needed anyway. For those times you actually might make use of the second LAR (those 2 or 3 "difficult" L4 missions), you can pulse it, turning it off again once the "spike" of incoming DPS is sufficiently reduced.

My Domi:

425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
100MN Afterburner II

Imperial Navy Capacitor Power Relay
Centus B-Type Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Specific Armor Hardener II
Specific Armor Hardener II
Specific Armor Hardener II
Specific Armor Hardener II

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

Relies mostly on drones for damage, but those rails do help putting down rats at long range (and thus reduce incoming DPS).
It is even cap stable (or very close to it) since you don´t need the AB except for travelling.

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#16 - 2012-02-06 02:02:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ireland VonVicious
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-02-06 02:55:36 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
If you want to omni tank a drone boat for L4's this is how:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/58826-Rattlesnake-Drone-L4-champ.html

If you want to run a navy domi:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/43795-Dominix-Navy-Issue-Semi-AFK-King.html



Really? I wouldn't bother with that domi fit.

You can get almost the same tank with a single imp navy large rep, which frees up 2 additional slots since you can drop a cap power relay. So you can fit 4 mission specific hardeners plus an eanm.

Or, you can throw in a mag stab, and get slightly less tank, but still plenty.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#18 - 2012-02-06 03:18:34 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
If you want to omni tank a drone boat for L4's this is how:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/58826-Rattlesnake-Drone-L4-champ.html

If you want to run a navy domi:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/43795-Dominix-Navy-Issue-Semi-AFK-King.html



Really? I wouldn't bother with that domi fit.

You can get almost the same tank with a single imp navy large rep, which frees up 2 additional slots since you can drop a cap power relay. So you can fit 4 mission specific hardeners plus an eanm.

Or, you can throw in a mag stab, and get slightly less tank, but still plenty.


You must of missed the name. It's a semi afk fit.
Never afk with one rep.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-02-06 06:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
If you want to omni tank a drone boat for L4's this is how:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/58826-Rattlesnake-Drone-L4-champ.html

If you want to run a navy domi:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/43795-Dominix-Navy-Issue-Semi-AFK-King.html



Really? I wouldn't bother with that domi fit.

You can get almost the same tank with a single imp navy large rep, which frees up 2 additional slots since you can drop a cap power relay. So you can fit 4 mission specific hardeners plus an eanm.

Or, you can throw in a mag stab, and get slightly less tank, but still plenty.


You must of missed the name. It's a semi afk fit.
Never afk with one rep.


Nope saw the name. I have semi afk'd plenty on one rep (called away by kids etc). Because my single rep setup tanks just fine.
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
#20 - 2012-02-06 11:20:47 UTC
Rigs: 2 CCC, 1 Aux Nanobot

Lows; 2 Shadow Serp LAR, t2 exp/kin/therm hardener, t2 eanm, t2 damage control

Mids; t2 cap rechargers

Highs; 4 350mm rails (any t1 meta you like), drone unit, tractor beam

Rails control rat aggro, and kill frigs at range; Drones kill everything else. I've used this setup or minor variations on it for a long time now, works beatifully for level 4 missions anywhere in eve. Better yet, it's cheap - so if you lose one it really wouldn't matter and it makes you uninteresting to anyone looking to gank a pimp mission ship in high sec.
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