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CSM chair declaring war on CCP, tells players to bring gasoline.
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Avon
#41 - 2011-09-06 20:06:12 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
If that was the case that this is all a deliberate scheme to make people move then were all f**ked


Quite the contrary. A negative media blitz may be just the thing Eve needs for long-term survival.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. As Mittens has said, upper management at CCP hasn't been listening. Forum posting can be ignored. Protests at monuments can be ignored. But get the media, gaming and non, reporting on this battle, and CCP simply can't ignore it any longer.

He's on to something here. CCP is terrible at communication. Really, really terrible. They're vulnerable to exactly this kind of tactic. Get news sites talking about this, where all the really juicy information is coming from players and the CSM (while CCP replies with typically boring PR responses) and you have an opportunity to really shape public perception about the game and the company.

The idea here is to force their hand. Make it so that they risk irreparable damage unless they do an about face and start developing Eve Online the way the vast majority of players would prefer. I know lots of people like to crap on the CSM, but creating that body was truly the worst move CCP ever made, at least from their point of view. They gave players the ability to have a legitimate voice in the media, a go-to for stories like the one we're now seeing circulate.

Of course the intention was for the CSM to be a tool for managing players, that's obvious. But Mittens understands that it could be something else entirely, and we're starting to see the realization of that.

Hopefully, CCP sees it too.



CCP just need to churn out endless Mittens quotes where he obsequiosly sings their praise. Show him up as the sycophant he really is.
He had his chance to make his objections, but instead he posted in support of CCP.

If he wants to make a real stand he should resign from the CSM in disgust and un-sub his account.

But he won't, because he is more interested in his e-fame than he is in the future of Eve.

He will claim that he must stay in place and fight the good fight from the inside, but the truth is that he is all mouth and no trousers ... and CCP knows it too.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2011-09-06 20:18:54 UTC
i see you know about as much about politics and influence today as you did when you were in bob, avon~

~hi~
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
#43 - 2011-09-06 20:25:57 UTC
Great!

FIS needs more resources.CCP needs to understand that, the FIS portion of the game has stagnated and active player numbers support that conclusion.

Didn't vote for mittens(did vote for other reps who got in) but he seems to want to improve EvE and is willing to do what he thinks is best for the game...

Can't fault him for that...

so quit the boo hoo CSM are just players BS....

we all want FIS to be better and CCP is not allocating enough resources to FIS...simple
So....ccp are you paying attention? or will we get a new set of boots?

Mittens has a way with words. we do need more to do, not more to wear. Players feel like ccp is sacrificing the stuff to do for the stuff to wear and it should be addressed.

Hope the big wigs at CCP take note, also GJ to the devs who are working on FIS! Do wish you had a bit more QA and we had the new IO but almost as though you lack resources.....
Jita Alt666
#44 - 2011-09-06 20:32:24 UTC
Avon wrote:

the truth is that he is all mouth and no trousers ...


Bob dude insulting a Goon by insinuating he is wearing no pants...
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
#45 - 2011-09-06 20:35:03 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Avon wrote:

the truth is that he is all mouth and no trousers ...


Bob dude insulting a Goon by insinuating he is wearing no pants...


Pants? explains the looks at the office.
Barakkus
#46 - 2011-09-06 20:47:50 UTC
Tikera Tissant wrote:
To be honest, I think this expansion and all its updates are about CCP trying to improve the community aspect of the game, instead of just concentrating about making big things go BOOM.


The whole point of EVE in some way or another relates back to blowing **** up.

The problem with this game is too many people unwilling to take risks that they perceive as large, the whole perception of what is a risk needs to be shaped so people are more willing to fleet with random people and get to know them. I've met a ton of people just from incursioning, which lead to me getting in with another group of people that blow **** up on roams. Too many people are afraid of "the other player" at the moment, which stifles the "community" aspect.

Don't think there's much of a way around it though, it's a personal thing, I don't think mechanics, or an expansion of walking around seeing avatars is going to over come the innate fear of losing isk.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#47 - 2011-09-06 20:48:52 UTC
I'm actually interested in where this goes.

Mittens at first clashed with the players by writing things like "In Defense of Incarna" and appearing to be a sycophant for ccp by telling players to ignore those leaked memos, and that they don't mean a thing.

Now he is actually making points players have been clamoring about. I'm glad to see it.

Why the change?

Is it too little too late?

In any event I'm glad to see it. Hopefully CCP will start assigning some resources to FIS.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
daisy cutta
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2011-09-06 20:50:42 UTC
This is a high risk by mittani

He is the chair of the CSM, I hope that all the CSM were aware of the post on the Goons forums before this went so public

This could backfire and do alot of damage with the CSM and CCP relations

Im hoping that this isnt one guy boosting his ego, cos if it is then I feel that his role as chair of the CSM could be short lived


However, if it has full CSM support, then I wish it well as I agree that we want something new to do and not to wear
Barakkus
#49 - 2011-09-06 20:53:26 UTC
wtf is a FIS?

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#50 - 2011-09-06 20:56:44 UTC


"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority."

----Lord Acton,in a letter to Mandell Creighton (5 April 1887), published in Historical Essays and Studies (1907)


Hilmar and the Chairman have more in common than not.

Dum Spiro Spero
Bilboz
Cranky Old Bastards
#51 - 2011-09-06 21:02:26 UTC
IT is this simple CCP trying to redact-edit the transcripts of meetings to keep things from the players was a dumbass'd idea.If[ CCP wants to close the CSM grow a pair and stay the program has run its course and is over.Shocked
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
#52 - 2011-09-06 21:06:05 UTC
FIS= flying in Space. it is how ccp refrences the eve portion of eve. as opposed to WIS=walking station.
Barakkus
#53 - 2011-09-06 21:07:16 UTC
E man Industries wrote:
FIS= flying in Space. it is how ccp refrences the eve portion of eve. as opposed to WIS=walking station.


Thanks, I couldn't figure out if it was fighting in stations, or ******* in stations or fail in space or what...lol

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#54 - 2011-09-06 21:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Esan Vartesa wrote:


You're confused.

I'm talking about Mittens' effort to turn up the heat.

You're talking about CCP's imagined effort to get rid of paying customers.


lol your arguments just as imagined as mine is

Man, you believe anything Mittens says an youre more deluded than you think I am especially if you think he's doing this FOR EVE and not his Epeen

FiS shouldnt be a PORTION of the game is IS THE GAME
and its sad that CCP even has players differentiating that now

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#55 - 2011-09-06 21:12:11 UTC
eve-radio wil have a broadcast with the CSM at 2200 eve time tonight.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#56 - 2011-09-06 21:14:22 UTC
Barakkus wrote:
[quote=Tikera Tissant]

The problem with this game is too many people unwilling to take risks that they perceive as large,


When all else fails, blame it on the carebears

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Morgals
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2011-09-06 21:17:26 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
[quote=Esan Vartesa]
FiS shouldnt be a PORTION of the game is IS THE GAME

THIS

Everyhting else should support FIS and if it grows great but is should not take away from FIS.

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Garheade
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2011-09-06 21:36:22 UTC
Wow, all this posting reminds me of a certain "Open Letter" by another CSM. One that The Mittani claimed he would never do... Such a shame.
Barakkus
#59 - 2011-09-06 21:37:36 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Barakkus wrote:
[quote=Tikera Tissant]

The problem with this game is too many people unwilling to take risks that they perceive as large,


When all else fails, blame it on the carebears


Try reading the rest of the post.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Avon
#60 - 2011-09-06 21:40:35 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
i see you know about as much about politics and influence today as you did when you were in bob, avon~


And yet you posted...

^Influence^