EVE General Discussion

You mean those newbies who happen to have the rather large amount for several billion ISK? I'm terribly sorry but you are getting noobs wrong with newbies. Goons scam noobs because they don't want to recruit them.

I have a revolutionary idea... if most players choose to stay in hisec, make hisec the most interesting thing to do in game rather than try and shanghai them into playing nullsec *wink, wink*

Like I said in the OP, it isn't High-sec in my opinion that draws people to the game, it is the sov wars. EVE isn't, from what I have seen, advertised from the angle of high-sec. It isn't marketed to be a "safe" game.

Also, if high-sec isn't the most interesting, why are the players there? Is it a difference between what the game is marketed as from what it has turned out to be? Where is the breakdown coming in at? Are you saying that most people are missioners, miners and marketers in high-sec? Please expand upon your post. Also, if you were to change the direction of the game away from null-sec, would you be also willing to give up the largest draw for new players? To be honest I haven't heard of anyone wanting to start to play eve because they saw missioning and thought it was cool.

People don't want to use perserverance or determination.. they want things handed to them, like it is in hisec. Many people are so scared of even losing a frigate, they would never dream of going into lowsec for fear of evil pirates.

Goonfleet was formed long after the major players of nullsec were firmly established (Band of Brothers in particular), and we were regarded as hilarious children that would soon be put in our place by the mighty BoB. As you said, we were kicked (well, sov-billed) out of our space more than once, but we were taken in by a great group of people who called themselves Tau Ceti Federation. They let us crash on their couch in Deklein, get back on our feet, and train up into ships bigger than rifters. A couple years later, and you see what has happened, for good or bad, whatever your perspective.

Bottom line, make friends. Friends are the most important resource in Eve, and very, VERY few people, corps, or alliances can go far without them.

I've seen the same thing. New players start in highsec, so the first group they're going to be exposed to are the losers who can do nothing but rant and rave about nullsec and it's inhabitants.

We have a training corp set up to get newer players into the nullsec lifestyle and we take them out roams through null/low with the vets to get them used to the lifestyle.

I used to recommend that newer players start off in renter alliances to get some experiance; I don't anymore since I've seen that the crappy renter alliances totally ruin people's first experiences.

People do not go to null because they do not want to leave their existing corps to do so. The NAV and player assets required of a null corp are so high that most corps can no longer move to null. In addition, unless your corp is a top tier null corp, your recruiting collapses upon moving to Null.

Not sure what the picture looks like for WH space, but if I were CEO of a 150man corp these days I'd be looking at WH and not Null.

Alot of people try to fly more ship than they can afford into PVP. The trick is to find the right balance to cover your losses.

Back down south before the anom nerf, I would go out on a roam or CTA for that day and run one sanctum. That was enough to cover all my losses and put a little aside every day. Since CCP screwed us nullseccers over I have to run 2 sites every day, but I can still cover my losses and put a little aside. It gets a little spendier when flying 100mn AB tengus and caps.

Most people who come to EVE, have come from other MMOs where the game is the gold/loot/level grind; so they come here and assume if they don't make at least 300mil a day then there's no way they can make any headway.

EVE is the only spaceship based subscription hardcore MMORPG around. It's not as if ti was competing with "X Online".

So, why does people come into EVE? I'll tell you what drove me in: a whole gamer's life of playing freelancing spaceship games, and the rush of online PvP from il-2 Sturmovik.

But my opinion about nullsec moved from "huh" to "yikes" to "clean it with fire".



So tell the ingame demographics. About 80% of logged in characters would be seen in highsec any random day. Mission runners used to be a whopping 18% of all players (in a game with about a hundred professions).

Nullsec is an organized, vocal minority, but players who never have been to nullsec are the single largest demographical group.

Of course, you may wonder why then EVE hasn't flipped on its side and died altogether, provided how bad it treats anyone not in nullsec, but then the question is that EVE used to grow by driving in more people than they were losing though the slow hisec hemorrhage. Reason is simple: this is the ONLY game you can play if you're into the Elite - Privateer - Freelancer - X series games and want to go online. Then, sooner or later either you will catch the nullsec virus or will learn that this game is none of the above but a kind of griefers paradise, that CCP is never factual when they plan to add human avatars, and you may even get tired of being called names or trolled all around when you join the forums to take a part in the cooking of the product.

Or, well, you may just grow bored of playing with the same toys and become a part of the slow hisec hemorrhage.

You know, none of the veterans that I met in my first 2 years still plays the game. None of them.

It isn't about tearing down the powerhouses, or re-inventing the wheel with me. I think after all this discussion it does come down to what was said on the first page:

He was.

He made the fact quite clearly that many new players have NO NEED to go to nullsec. It's less about aversion as it is about why bother?

You're quite right about the elements of gameplay "out there" but for a very long time - unless you have a special quality to further your interests/notoriety quickly - you'll be no more than a grunt/cannon-fodder.