EVE General Discussion

I recently read, though for the life of me I cannot recall where, a quote that said to the effect; "Null-sec needs new blood. The past three years the same people have been fighting each other, just cycled around."What causes this? Why is it that the newer players do not get involved with null-sec?

This morning I got a wild hair up- well, you don't need the details, but suffice it to say, I was bored. I went on an adventure 86 jumps throughout Null/Low-sec. I witnessed good fights, ransoms, evaded gatecamps and bubbles. I met some pilots and bs was shot aplenty. I, in the span of a few hours, witnessed much more exciting things happening than can be said for empire space.This is where the real game was being played and in my opinion, the newer players need to experience this.

I have friends that are fps whores, and tabletop nerds, but when shown The Butterfly Effect trailer, they became interested in EVE. This idea that one can participate in massive conflicts that can see thousands of real people square off in border disputes, villainous raids, or wars of conquest is intriguing. Sov conflict, the idea of it, is what brings new players.


I hardly am influential, but if there were one thing I could charge CSM6 and CSM7 with, it would be to worry about the game's newest generation. Without new players the game will eventually die out.

The problem there is not with the game mechanics. The problem is the extremely large number of bears that constantly proclaim that living in null sec is impossible and the only way to play the game is to grind the same 10 minutes of PVE content over and over again in the safety net of high sec.

I agree with the points you both make, especially Dradius. I am a newer player myself and can honestly state that quite a few people in Empire are veteran carebears that will tell anyone with an open ear about the one time years ago when they got the nutsack to actually try to go to 0.0 and were killed by "those bastards."

Positive propaganda for null-sec is sparse. I think if there wasn't so many bitter tears from people who take make believe spaceships so serious new players wouldn't be so scared.

If they get killed, seeing it as a lesson should be more important than crying about the loss, but for some this proves too much.

You can't be your own boss and live in null. You must corp up and that means you no longer enjoy total freedom. If you're cool with that then there's no reason to not, at the very least, check it out. If you like playing alone, on your own schedule then null will never work for you.

It is. There are a plethora of good solo spaceships games for the anti-social. EVE isn't one of them.

Also the anti-null sentiment is en vogue on the forums, don't take it personally. Null is where the game is at, and there are lots of noob friendly options, especially in the CFC.

Fun fact: They are heavy oriented in scamming newbies. Good luck with joining goons or test without getting scammed, or spending endless time on a stupid forum to get invited.
Dont spread false informations in a thread about newbies and null.

Large high sec alliance many group for

- mining
- mission
- Incursion
- roam Low Sec
- raid WHs.

All time something for do for few hour and no worry CTA. No worry politic. No worry ego rubbish null sec.

Why would goons bother scamming nubs who have zero assets?

my personal take on null sec is this:

first- gaining a foothold as a small corp/alliance is nei-on impossible in "sov" space without attracting the attentions of the 2 blocks eitherside of you. you will spend more time attempting to fend off people than actuly playing EVE the way you want to.

second- cost of becoming a fully self sufficient alliance in null is hanus. the cost of holding even one system is still rather high for a small alliance. TCUs and I hub upgrades alone will cost you the better half of a billion to just purchase and set up. then you have to worry about POSs that's another 2-300mill a month ontop of your SOV holding bill. so for a month of just holding down the sov in a sys it will cost over a billion.

third- point 2 brings me to player stations... WTF its 20-30 billion just to set one up then you have to move all the items required for it witch will no doubt attract the attentions of well everyone (when your alliance can only muster 100 or so people at the best of times this becomes problematic) and fending off 6-700man supercap fleets is well... never going to happen. and finaly insult to injury as soon as the station is up its going to be seiged and you will be pushed back to LOw/high sec whilst your station is taken over by the same 700 man supa fleet that destroyed your logistics department.

fourth- the seystem that you can settle are so few and fat between ( my last count was 100 or so non drone SOV systems) that getting to them to set up shop will be like taking a spoon to a tank to kill it.

TBH i know that is seems like there is a lot of hate for the current state of 0.0 in this post / but it dose have its good sides.

0.0 runs are fun and 9 times out of ten you will be under estimated and may come out on top.


===THINGS I WOULD CHANGE===

1- decrease the cost of holding a single system and add 10% to that cost for every system there after.
IE: 1 sys with TCU and IHUB 50 million a month, 2 systems same set up 110 million a month and so on with Ihub upgrades costing 10mill a month (fir 1st level) up to 50mill (at 5th level). have all strategic upgrades cost a flat 100 million a month

2-cut the cost of outpost construction to a 3rd of current ISK cost and decrease required goods by 50%.

3- creat more entry points to sov and NPC null

o/ NPC Null, what are you doing over there?