Player Features and Ideas Discussion

TBH, we don't need more yield. It's fine where it is (though sources need adjusted).



This won't work at all. (hint: yield is fixed at 1 unit/cycle)

sort of...

There a number of problems with the usefulness of "mining" at all.

1. Drone Regions
2. Mission Trash
3. Bots
4. Mineral Distribution.


The first point is being talked about by CCP/CSM, so we're good there I think (or will be in the future). The second Is touchy as well ... maybe remove meta0 from the drops ... I don't really know. Bost should all die.

The last point is probably the most touchy, in that the "distribution" is really broken between hisec, losec, and nullsec/wspace.

In Hisec, one can get Tritanium, Pyerite, Isogen, Mexallon, and Nocxium from Veldspar, Scordite, Plagioclase, Pyroxeres, Omber, and Kernite
Lowsec adds in Zydrine (and higher yields of the lowends) via Jaspet, Hedbergite, and Hemorphite
Nullsec/Wspace adds in Megacyte (and higher yields of the lowends) via Arkonor, Bistot, Crokite, Dark Ochre, Gneiss, and Spodumain.

Now, here's where things get ugly (limiting this to empire)
Veldspar (Tritanium) -- 0.1 m3; 333 refine <-- best source of Trit (1000 per refine)
Scordite (Tritanium, Pyerite) -- 0.15 m3, 333 refine
Pyroxeres (Tritanium, Pyerite, Mexallon, Nocxium) -- 0.3 m3, 333 refine
Plagioclase (Tritanium, Pyerite, Mexallon) -- 0.35 m3, 333 refine <-- best source of Pyer (512 per refine)
Omber (Tritanium, Pyerite, Isogen) -- 0.6 m3, 500 refine
Kernite (Tritanium, Mexallon, Isogen) -- 1.2 m3, 400 refine <-- best source of Mex (773 per refine)
Jaspet (Tritanium, Pyerite, Mexallon, Nocxium, Zydrine) -- 2 m3; 500 refine
Hedbergite (Isogen, Nocxium, Zydrine) -- 3 m3; 500 refine <-- best source of Iso (708 per refine) and Zyd (32 per refine)
Hemorphite (Tritanium, Isogen, Nocxium, Zydrine) -- 3 m3; 500 refine <-- best source of Nox (424 per refine)


So, for a miner shooting to get the most of $LOW_END_MINERAL per hour, you're going to be looking at those rocks, right?

Well, no ... not necessarily once you take batch size and volume into account.

Veldspar -- 33.3 m3 <-- best source of Trit
Scordite -- 49.95 m3 <-- best source of Pyer (8.32 units/m3 ... Plagioclase is 4.3)
Pyroxeres -- 99.9 m3
Plagioclase -- 116.55 m3 <-- best source of Mex (2.19 units/m3 ... Kernite is 1.6)
Omber -- 300 m3 <-- best source of Iso (1.02 units/m3 ... Hedbergite is 0.47)
Kernite -- 480 m3
Jaspet -- 1000 m3
Hedbergite -- 1500 m3
Hemorphite -- 1500 m3 <-- best source of Nox

So, it's better to stay in hisec when you're looking for specific minerals to cherry-pick ... but if you're building something, you need everything, and the lowsec ores will help you there then ...? This time it's a question of risk.

Take a dominix for example ... you can mine all the necessary minerals in hisec in about 2 hours(assuming maxxed hulk, with maxxed orca), sans zyd and mega, which you have to buy (6.5m ISK) -- of course, this means heading to amarr space to pick up the nox (if you buy that too, you're looking at a total of 14.5m in mins on the market).

Moving to (Minmatar) lowsec, it'll take you about 2.33 hours (20 mins of mining Hemorphite) to get the materials (still buying 5.8m ISK worth of zyd and Mega). If you choose to mine for the Zyd, you need a total of 2.66 hours (1h 10m of which is Hedbergite), and pay for 3m worth of mega (BUT you do get 13m "extra" minerals).

So, is it worth risking 0.2 space for 30 minutes to an hour to save from spending a few million isk on the market for one ship?

No. This is absolutely wrong. Mineral sources need to be reduced across the board ...

I still believe that mining rigs is not a bad a idea

and increasing respawn form asteroid belts after downtime is not bad at all

just mine opinion