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Idears for a Flagship in high/lowsec warfare
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#21 - 2012-02-04 15:20:22 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Tjemjak wrote:

term was used in AT e.g. and should be well known.

However, lts say close range.

So according to massively it just means faction fit Battleship in Tourney Speak. What?

If I were to take my pic I would say go with a Slaved or LG Slaved Vindicator then for a close range fleet with a Faction Web and Faction Dmg Mods.

That should be within your Budget.

For some people slaved faction battleships make up the majority of their fleet.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-02-04 15:35:57 UTC
You find 'flagships' in wormholes. The limited mass allowance and lack of supercaps, combined with the riches found within, leads to highly pimped and relative rare battleships. You'll find fleets with a single bhaalgorn worth 5bil in there.

OTOH, there are highly pimped ships in the game like to imperial apocalypse, the tribal issue tempest etc. They could be considered flagships aswell and are irreplaceable.
Katalci
Kismesis
#23 - 2012-02-06 05:37:14 UTC
If you mean a good boat for the FC to fly, then use a fleet command ship, t3, or something cloaky. Stick a probe launcher and cyno on it, too.

If that's not what you mean, then why do you only have one "flagship" instead of an entire fleet of them?

madsamo wrote:
Heavy Interdictor or command ships can both fit ridiculous tanks and do some decent dps. You WILL be primairied with either one though

Who in their right mind primaries a Damnation?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#24 - 2012-02-06 05:56:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:
Yes. But you realise you're talking to CVA. I mean really... It's CVA.


P


Sorry I forgot blobbing horribly fit Drakes and killing solo Rifters with 2 T2 frigs is "leet Pvp", if you enliten me to the purpose of the Basi I will happily accept it as read.


The Basi was used to engage under sentry fire when we were overwhelmingly outnumbered by the locals. Things like taking a BC gang into faction BS fleets and cap fleets while taking sentries ourselves. That's why the extra reps and extra local tank are so much more important than what you can get out of a Scim.

The cloak helps get fights too - you'd be amazed how often 10 man BS fleets from well known PVP corps/alliances will refuse to engage 4 BCs and a solo Basi. :)

-Liang

Ed: Also, if you think that I really do nothing but blob... why don't you watch my videos? http://vimeo.com/user9887127/videos ;-)

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-02-06 06:06:01 UTC
Killboard stats are ******* awesome.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#26 - 2012-02-06 06:10:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Killboard stats are ******* awesome.


The worst thing about KB stats is that they encourage people to be **** - playing for the KM or playing to avoid the lossmail. Risk averse PVP is not fun PVP. On the flip side, they all tell their own story - and years later you can look back and be like "lol, man remember that Domi we nailed with a couple frigates?"

-Liang

Ed: And besides, I don't rely solely on my KB stats. But you should know that. ;-) AND YES I STILL HATE YOU.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#27 - 2012-02-06 08:05:25 UTC
Bhaalgorn full neuts with some faction webs and all the tank that your money can buy, pimp eanm, slaves, maybe T2 trimark.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-02-06 08:10:53 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:

Ed: And besides, I don't rely solely on my KB stats. But you should know that. ;-) AND YES I STILL HATE YOU.


You could have just said, "i engage dudes who don't fire EM under sentries and need to active tank as a result" instead of "lol you have no kills."
Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
#29 - 2012-02-06 08:52:44 UTC
Simple answer. Bhaalgorn.

Most precious asset to any fleet.
GenesisMike
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-02-06 08:56:06 UTC
As others have said already a Flagship is whatever you want it to be. Flagships are generally the ship flying the "flag" of the commander or as some people have come to view it as the "Bismark" of their fleet. In reading your post it looks as if you are trying to find a ship which to anchor a fleet around. I like flying the Bhaalgorn as others have stated, for a small group you can go cookie cutter fit's but make sure it has a strong tank. Faction BS's often draw attention. Fit it to the needs of your group, if you have plenty of DPS go for a rack of Neuts and kill any cap in sight. If you are flying with a smaller group (please always have logi with a Bhaal if you ever take it out) go with the standard 4 MPII's and 3 Neuts, again LOTS of tank since with good skills and implants I run 800+ DPS with one INHS and drones.

I agree with others though regarding KB stats and such, even a Bhaalgorn fitted with Faction/Officer mods can burn quickly if you get blobbed so be prepared to pod home if you take it out.

Have fun whichever ship you take out. Hope this helps.


Message me in game for a fit if you want.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#31 - 2012-02-06 16:46:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:

Ed: And besides, I don't rely solely on my KB stats. But you should know that. ;-) AND YES I STILL HATE YOU.


You could have just said, "i engage dudes who don't fire EM under sentries and need to active tank as a result" instead of "lol you have no kills."


Look how ******* stupid you still are. You can still tank 600 DPS raw EM damage with a 90m sig radius. Its not exactly hard to do a bit of sig tanking along with that extremely impressive EM tank. Yeah sure, its not up to the 2500 DPS tank that you might expect when tanking a Vindicator, but its still a significantly better raw tank than a Myrm puts out.

And besides, I don't tell you that you have no kills. I tell you that you're a ******* moron talking about an area of the game you self admittedly have no experience with.

Fuckwit.

-Liang

Ed: And also, I engaged no matter who was on the field. But I don't expect someone like you to understand that.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
shal ri
Short Bus Window Licker
#32 - 2012-02-06 17:37:14 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:
Oh I wasn't referring to the Basi. More the fact that Liang gets more kills in a month than you do in a lifetime.

Where did I mention anything about blobs?

Although. Now you mention it. You have a point.


Meh, don't get a whole lot of play time, and yes we blob things, primarily because we fight blobs of equal or larger size, way the world works. I Genuinely don't care about all this KB crap, just don't really see the point in the Basi its an honest question.

Oh and I'd like to see how long it takes you to solo a TCU :P



roflmfao i live in the same area as cva. u dont fight gang the same size as u.ever. nor do u fight gangs bigger then u. ever. u just fail bait, hot drop. i only had 1 fight just 1 where a cva baddon died solo. heres the real funny part tho. do u guys every aggro first?
nope. even if the said target is red and has gate guns on a high sec gate with ur bait cyno drake sat there doin **** all.

i bet Liang could solo u in a basi thats how bad cva is at pvp.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-02-06 17:39:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
Liang Nuren wrote:
And besides, I don't tell you that you have no kills. I tell you that you're a ******* moron talking about an area of the game you self admittedly have no experience with.


What?

Quote:
Fuckwit.


Clearly not angry at all.

Quote:
Ed: And also, I engaged no matter who was on the field. But I don't expect someone like you to understand that.


lol, you don't know me very well.

At any rate, Heretics are free at any point to come try to kill us in Venal v0v
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#34 - 2012-02-06 17:45:22 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:

Meh, don't get a whole lot of play time, and yes we blob things, primarily because we fight blobs of equal or larger size, way the world works.


Blobs like our 5-man gatecamps in R3? Lol

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Oh and I'd like to see how long it takes you to solo a TCU :P


Ugh who would ever want to do that?

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#35 - 2012-02-06 17:45:59 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
And besides, I don't tell you that you have no kills. I tell you that you're a ******* moron talking about an area of the game you self admittedly have no experience with.


What?


This entire argument centers around your ******** assertions relating to an area of the game that you by your own admission have no experience with. I know that you tried to play it off as "low suck bears" but the reality is that you simply don't do the solo logi thing. And I don't even have to read your assertions on how solo logi work goes down to know that... you ******* said so yourself.

No, you may fly logis but its only as part of a WTFBlob. So kindly STFU about anything related to logis in small gangs - you clearly have no experience with it.

Quote:
Clearly not angry at all.


I thought I started the conversation with "And yes, I still ******* hate you". I meant it.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#36 - 2012-02-06 17:51:09 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
And besides, I don't tell you that you have no kills. I tell you that you're a ******* moron talking about an area of the game you self admittedly have no experience with.


What?


This entire argument centers around your ******** assertions relating to an area of the game that you by your own admission have no experience with. I know that you tried to play it off as "low suck bears" but the reality is that you simply don't do the solo logi thing. And I don't even have to read your assertions on how solo logi work goes down to know that... you ******* said so yourself.

No, you may fly logis but its only as part of a WTFBlob. So kindly STFU about anything related to logis in small gangs - you clearly have no experience with it.

Quote:
Clearly not angry at all.


I thought I started the conversation with "And yes, I still ******* hate you". I meant it.

-Liang

Not gonna lie, it makes me giggle a little to see liang so pissed off. Logis are kind of a sore spot with him Big smile
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-02-06 17:53:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
Liang Nuren wrote:
No, you may fly logis but its only as part of a WTFBlob. So kindly STFU about anything related to logis in small gangs - you clearly have no experience with it.


l0l

Quote:
I thought I started the conversation with "And yes, I still ******* hate you". I meant it.


hey man, im not hard to find and i play eve the same time as you. you should come show me how i dont solo logi and how active tanked ABing basi w/ no eccm is a good fit that ends well.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#38 - 2012-02-06 20:02:18 UTC
Cambarus wrote:

Not gonna lie, it makes me giggle a little to see liang so pissed off. Logis are kind of a sore spot with him Big smile


Its more that you two are ******* retards that love to speak authoritatively about areas of the game that you have literally no experience with.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#39 - 2012-02-06 20:06:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Danny John-Peter
Wow this is still going, would like to know how that Basi tanks very much sentry fire, being Sig doesnt come into the equation when it comes to gate guns, but hey I dont fight much in low sec, still dont see a great deal of point as it has awful cap life, a meh tank, less EM resists than a buffer fit cane etc etc and could get alphaed by a couple of Nados with RF EMP.

But as I say, it obviously has a purpose since you give it such wild acclaim, but as the man rightfully said;

"I need to tank sentry fire in short bursts while being able to be hidden to look engagable" would have been far better than you first response which was essentially "lol my char haz more kills than you char, this fit works"
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#40 - 2012-02-06 20:31:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Danny John-Peter wrote:
Wow this is still going, would like to know how that Basi tanks very much sentry fire, being Sig doesnt come into the equation when it comes to gate guns, but hey I dont fight much in low sec, still dont see a great deal of point as it has awful cap life, a meh tank, less EM resists than a buffer fit cane etc etc and could get alphaed by a couple of Nados with RF EMP.

But as I say, it obviously has a purpose since you give it such wild acclaim, but as the man rightfully said;

"I need to tank sentry fire in short bursts while being able to be hidden to look engagable" would have been far better than you first response which was essentially "lol my char haz more kills than you char, this fit works"


The Basi only has a "meh tank and capacitor" when you compare it to capital ships. Really, I'm not even sure WTF you are talking about. As to how it tanked sentry fire: it rocked a 600 DPS on its weakest resists, where sentries put out ~352 DPS total - the bulk of which is actually on the highest resists. There's no "tanking for short bursts". I mean seriously, I tanked sentries + mixed capital + BS fleets more than once with it. -_-

As to Minnie ships running EMP - they've always existed and I never really had much problem with them, even when tanking sentry fire myself. Furthermore, the Tornado is actually a terrible ship to bring up because its pretty easy to sig tank.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.