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More 'Traders' By Percentage?

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Jan VanRijkdom
House VanRijkdom Trading Conglomerate
#1 - 2012-02-04 02:25:33 UTC
So, I just resubbed in Jan after a hiatus right as Incarna came out, and after coming back, it seems like there's more 'trader's, in my trade Hub, (it's Not Jita). I seem to have more competition from 'large' orders, i.e not small orders from obvious 'non-professional traders', than I did before.

Is this my imagination? Or are perhaps there more traders playing the market?

Obviously theres not going to be hard numbers on, or a specific definition of who constitutes a 'Trader', but I think the general meaning is known.

This may be due to the increased population of EVE, but I'm thinking a higher percentage of players vs the EVE population are perhaps dabbling/getting into the Trader 'Profession'.

Is this totally imagined on my part, or is this perhaps the case? Again, I do tend to stay in one major trade hub, so my experience could be skewed from that.

Opinions?

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anarll
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-02-04 04:17:25 UTC
More people trading, and more market bots

Ccp doesn't care about bots, and I have noticed on forums and in game chats that players who trade tell players who want to trade exactly how to do it. It drives me nuts, there is only so much market opportunity, and any newb that asks for help on MD forum get advice.

Chodes

-Clamslayer
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#3 - 2012-02-04 08:00:10 UTC
anarll wrote:
More people trading, and more market bots

Ccp doesn't care about bots, and I have noticed on forums and in game chats that players who trade tell players who want to trade exactly how to do it. It drives me nuts, there is only so much market opportunity, and any newb that asks for help on MD forum get advice.

Chodes

-Clamslayer


Welcome to the self optimizing nature of markets.

You can't stop margins from thinning out and traders to increase, because that's the reason markets and traders exist.

What you can do is to find pieces of still not widely used knowledge to get an edge, adapt and overcome.
anarll
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-02-04 08:13:25 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
anarll wrote:
More people trading, and more market bots

Ccp doesn't care about bots, and I have noticed on forums and in game chats that players who trade tell players who want to trade exactly how to do it. It drives me nuts, there is only so much market opportunity, and any newb that asks for help on MD forum get advice.

Chodes

-Clamslayer


Welcome to the self optimizing nature of markets.

You can't stop margins from thinning out and traders to increase, because that's the reason markets and traders exist.

What you can do is to find pieces of still not widely used knowledge to get an edge, adapt and overcome.



This could not be said any better, the point I failed to make is that this is speed up because so many are so eager to help others.

Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-02-04 08:46:46 UTC
anarll wrote:

This could not be said any better, the point I failed to make is that this is speed up because so many are so eager to help others.


teaching newbies increases social status and demonstrates confidence in your own abilities.
Mu-Shi Ai
Hosono House
#6 - 2012-02-04 09:11:04 UTC
Some people act like ISK is a rare resource, when in reality there's never been more of it to get your hands on. You just have to leave the normal haunts (i.e. hubs) and find new opportunities. Hub-based trading is for the bots and the excessively rich now.
Samroski
Middle-Earth
#7 - 2012-02-04 09:26:49 UTC
I have this hypothesis.

There are different methods of trading. After some time the method a player is using reaches max. potential and the player moves on to another (less tedious) method.

Thus all the time people are joining your trading method, and leaving it for something else, possibly somewhere else.

No matter which trading method you use, there is always a niche for you.

Any colour you like.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#8 - 2012-02-04 09:34:27 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
anarll wrote:

This could not be said any better, the point I failed to make is that this is speed up because so many are so eager to help others.


teaching newbies increases social status and demonstrates confidence in your own abilities.


And also help breeding new bigger source for your income! Pirate


Mu-Shi Ai wrote:
Some people act like ISK is a rare resource, when in reality there's never been more of it to get your hands on. You just have to leave the normal haunts (i.e. hubs) and find new opportunities. Hub-based trading is for the bots and the excessively rich now.


The decently rich just log in an alt once a week and close 10-30 orders.
The excessively rich don't even bother with menial hub trading.
kla samon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-02-04 09:54:35 UTC
If the advice given on these forums seriously hinders your trading.... then you're doing it wrong.Ugh
Jan VanRijkdom
House VanRijkdom Trading Conglomerate
#10 - 2012-02-04 19:22:49 UTC
This is probably true about bots, and everyone giving out free advice doesn't help certain trading methods/niches.

I know there is isk to be made in other various styles other than tedious market hub order updating, but I guess I'm too complacent atm to get into ambitious projects, and too conservative with my isk.

Thanks for the opinions.

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Humidor Cigarillo
#11 - 2012-02-04 21:43:31 UTC
Trading probably has caught on more so in the last few years, for a few obvious reasons:

1. It's easy and intuitive at the most basic level; ie. buying things where the margin is good and re-listing them
2. It can be done with an eight day old alt nearly as well as an eight year old vet char. Beyond the basics of accounting and broker relations the biggest limiting factor is simply isk itself and that isn't hard to seed with a single GTC netting close to a bil. Remote trading, tons of orders, high standings for ultra-thin margin opportunities, and hauling alts are all nice-to-haves, but certainly not necessary to become proficient at basic trading.
3. It can be scaled up and down easily with a player's schedule.
4. Probably most important (and VV touched on this already): the margins are there to be exploited. There are a great many bittervet lazy regional traders out there who leave orders unattended for weeks if not months at a time. This leaves the door wide open for new traders to come in and offer a better deal to consumers, to come closer to the market's natural equilibrium.

I don't see a problem with this at all. Frankly I can't be asked to trade more than I already do just to try and stifle some young up-and-coming competition. Botters; however, are a different animal, and I make it a point to monitor and report them whenever possible. Fortunately I don't see a lot of them outside of Jita/Amarr and of the few I have successfully reported at least half a dozen were banned, or ceased to log in at the very least.