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Why is it so hard for people to understand why Dust 514 is only on the PS3?!

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Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2012-02-04 04:20:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Tikhon Fedorov wrote:
When was the last time you played an FPS on the PC?

about 10 minutes ago? And ... every single day for the past 20 years?

The real reason its PS3 Only:

360: Microsoft's terms restricts CCP's ability to even implement their idea. I bet CCP initially wanted to do both consoles and realized they simply COULDNT because of microsoft's own restrictions.

PC: imagine playing an FPS on your controller.... against a player on a PC. You'll get owned every time. A mouse has the ability to turn your character instantly, while on a controller you have to hold the joystick to the right and wait untill your view swings around. Also the PC has tons of keys on its keyboard, its just a significant advantage, and PS3 Dust'ers will simply end up losing most of the time to the PC users.

In addition to that, Consider CCP's primary goal: to expand their audience. They've already latched onto the hardcore PC gamers, they're trying to target the Console players.


So essentially, the 360 removed itself as an option, and the PC was left out because of the target demographic and balance/fairness issues. Its unfortunate about the 360, but ... thats microsoft for you.




The same PS3/360 politics goes on in the PC world between Valve's STEAM and EA's ORIGIN.

Valve's Steam requires the publisher to push its patches strictly through via Steam's service, and they have to PAY for that. EA (and other companies) like full control of their software, and patch system.

and dont get me wrong, Im not an EA fanboy. Thats just what companies do. The reason Steam even exists is because Valve didnt want to pay EA, their competition, for publishing its content. Its understandable from a business viewpoint, but sucks for the gamers.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Tikhon Fedorov
Neptune Shard
#22 - 2012-02-04 04:36:08 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Tikhon Fedorov wrote:
When was the last time you played an FPS on the PC?

about 10 minutes ago? And ... every single day for the past 20 years?

The real reason its PS3 Only:

360: Microsoft's terms restricts CCP's ability to even implement their idea. I bet CCP initially wanted to do both consoles and realized they simply COULDNT because of microsoft's own restrictions.

PC: imagine playing an FPS on your controller.... against a player on a PC. You'll get owned every time. A mouse has the ability to turn your character instantly, while on a controller you have to hold the joystick to the right and wait untill your view swings around. Also the PC has tons of keys on its keyboard, its just a significant advantage, and PS3 Dust'ers will simply end up losing most of the time to the PC users.

In addition to that, Consider CCP's primary goal: to expand their audience. They've already latched onto the hardcore PC gamers, they're trying to target the Console players.


So essentially, the 360 removed itself as an option, and the PC was left out because of the target demographic and balance/fairness issues. Its unfortunate about the 360, but ... thats microsoft for you.




The same PS3/360 politics goes on in the PC world between Valve's STEAM and EA's ORIGIN.

Valve's Steam requires the publisher to push its patches strictly through via Steam's service, and they have to PAY for that. EA (and other companies) like full control of their software, and patch system.

and dont get me wrong, Im not an EA fanboy. Thats just what companies do. The reason Steam even exists is because Valve didnt want to pay EA, their competition, for publishing its content. Its understandable from a business viewpoint, but sucks for the gamers.



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Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-02-04 04:37:20 UTC
I was with you until you said two things.

1) Consoles are less hackable than PCs.

No sir.

Really. No. This is just false. In the most popular FPSs on consoles, there are

2) Top gamers shouldn't dominate.

Top gamers should be rewarded for their skills. Catering to casuals is pretty commonly done nowadays, but everytime its done in an MMOFPS, it fails. Whether its pay-to-win, a lack of locational damage, whatever. They die. Shooters are one genre where you either learn to move you mouse faster, or you deserve to die. It keeps competition fresh and alive, and it's why some older shooters continue to be played to this day.

Sorry if you disagree, sorry if this is offpoint to what you're suggesting. It's a sore subject. (Why did you have to be so bad, APB?! And you too, Global Agenda!)

...and yeah, the second one doesn't really have much to do with playing on a console vs PC, but the mentality is infuriating.

Hello, hello again.

Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-02-04 04:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
WTS 1 cheaply soddered XBOX 360. The warranty has been used once, 1 month after ownership but you can get replacement units for factory mismanufacture at $100.00 each.

XBOX 360 stinks. Just like the original XBOX stinks. Decent games if you like arcadey with minimal strategy but neither have the durability or lifespan of the Playstation.

Sucks for the daft that invested. =)

No Dust 4 U.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#25 - 2012-02-04 04:46:28 UTC
/me hops back on BF2142 for PC weeeee

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Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-02-04 04:49:00 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Tikhon Fedorov wrote:
When was the last time you played an FPS on the PC?

about 10 minutes ago? And ... every single day for the past 20 years?

The real reason its PS3 Only:

360: Microsoft's terms restricts CCP's ability to even implement their idea. I bet CCP initially wanted to do both consoles and realized they simply COULDNT because of microsoft's own restrictions.

PC: imagine playing an FPS on your controller.... against a player on a PC. You'll get owned every time. A mouse has the ability to turn your character instantly, while on a controller you have to hold the joystick to the right and wait untill your view swings around. Also the PC has tons of keys on its keyboard, its just a significant advantage, and PS3 Dust'ers will simply end up losing most of the time to the PC users.

In addition to that, Consider CCP's primary goal: to expand their audience. They've already latched onto the hardcore PC gamers, they're trying to target the Console players.


So essentially, the 360 removed itself as an option, and the PC was left out because of the target demographic and balance/fairness issues. Its unfortunate about the 360, but ... thats microsoft for you.




The same PS3/360 politics goes on in the PC world between Valve's STEAM and EA's ORIGIN.

Valve's Steam requires the publisher to push its patches strictly through via Steam's service, and they have to PAY for that. EA (and other companies) like full control of their software, and patch system.

and dont get me wrong, Im not an EA fanboy. Thats just what companies do. The reason Steam even exists is because Valve didnt want to pay EA, their competition, for publishing its content. Its understandable from a business viewpoint, but sucks for the gamers.


What this guy said

Hello, hello again.

Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2012-02-04 05:07:35 UTC
Tikhon Fedorov wrote:

When was the last time you played an FPS on the PC?


I'm actually in-between games of Tribes
Atticus Lowa
Lowa Corp Industries and Security
#28 - 2012-02-04 05:14:50 UTC
my older bro has a ps3 (and a wii also, he got it because i had one also for a long time, we play brawl often) so seeing dust 514 being a PS3 exclusive... pretty much convinces me to get one, i mean i need a reason to get one and here it is.

now the issue is researching awesome PS3 games anyways...

yeh as stated, its basically impossible to have it on any system other than PS3s, oh well, blame it on microsoft for being control freaks and nintendo for not making systems with uber graphic and processing capabilty P .
Ai Shun
#29 - 2012-02-04 05:18:14 UTC
Tikhon Fedorov wrote:
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
jesus this is such a fail thread its not even funny


What exactly wouldn't fail? Gotta take some stance on the matter. Besides, this is a rant about comments that are were getting repeated over and over. :)


And in response you repeat comments over and over.

That said, this is an improvement on the OMFG CSM MITTANI GOONS NULLSEC threads.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#30 - 2012-02-04 05:44:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
WTS 1 cheaply soddered XBOX 360. The warranty has been used once, 1 month after ownsership but you can get replacement units for factory mismanufacture at $100.00 each.

XBOX 360 stinks. Just like the original XBOX stinks. Decent games if you like arcadey with minimal strategy but neither have the durability or lifespan of the Playstation.

Sucks for the daft that invested. =)

No Dust 4 U.



The 360 sucked, I went through 3 in under 2 years. I do have an original XBOX, it excels at one thing and one thing only, being softmodded and then running XBMC, just wish it supported HD properly

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Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2012-02-04 05:51:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
As a PC gamer, The whole 360 vs PS3 thing is funny tbh.

My very first videogame was a Colecovision. I went through the c64 and nintendo and all those goodies too, so im not limited to PC experience only.

The reason its funny is i see all the 'good' ps3/360 games available on the open, upgradable PC, too.

The only exclusive games i can think of, that i wanted to play... Uncharted, and LA Noir (but LA Noir is on PC as well now!)

So while all of you are fighting over 360vsPS3, all the hardcore gamers are playing those games on the PC and know if you're going to buy a console, buy a Wii =) It has the most, and the best, platformer and 'exclusive' games.

You just cant beat Mario yo!

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Solinuas
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-02-04 06:07:40 UTC
Id like to point out that there is an emulator that allows you to play on PSN on the PC.

That is all.
Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-02-13 19:05:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Yoma Karima
As a gamer who has run their way trough Golden Eye, THE FIRST DEUS EX on PC, and just about every major RTS, FPS, And MMO (HALO,COD,KillZone,WOW,Runscape,warcraft1,2,3, Sarcraft1,2 Dioblo ect) i have to say that of all of them DUST looks like a new type of game that needs to be introduced if just to make a market for such games.

That aside i do pay EVE and it has tought me more about thinking ahead than any other game(Mind my profile its so new it shines). Dust looks like its going to teach that same forthought to the younger FPS crowed and while id love to get in the middle of a mouse v controler argument. FPS's is usualy about suprize a mouse may give you a slight edge but most of the time you never see the guy that kills you. As for hypeing up on redbull or MDew never tried it and at 20 im still cleaning the snot of 11 and 12 year old brats who do caffeen out.

As for the word on PS3 vs 360 it realy isnt a big problem once microsoft sees the mistake it made(think FF13-2 people it just came out for both when FF used to just be for the PS consels) WE WILL GET DUST FOR 360.

Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.

Brisco County
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-02-13 19:07:18 UTC
If CCP really gave a damn about botters, they'd have Eve on PS3, too.

edit: by OP's logic.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#35 - 2012-02-13 19:22:06 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
/me hops back on BF2142 for PC weeeee



The BF's make me a sad panda. A patch for 2142 made my computer deem it a virus and as I didn't want to reinstall it for the 5th time it became lost for eternity. I started playing BF2 and was doing great for 2 months and then punkbuster decided to go fascist on me. I've personally have added nothing new but hell if I can stay in a game for more than 20 seconds.

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Darrow Hill
Vodka and Vice
#36 - 2012-02-13 19:33:26 UTC
It's quite simple, really.


I would play Dust 514, but I will not buy a PS3 in order to play it.

However...

I do expect that Dust 514 will be released for the PC, eventually. For CCP's sake, I hope I am wrong and their experiment will be a success. I just doubt they will put all of their dusty eggs in the console basket, and leave PC support as a backup to at least break even.
Squidgey
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-02-13 20:39:13 UTC
OP's arguments are garbage, seeing as xbox live had no problem working cross platform with PC server with shadowrun, and the whole thing of the mouse and keyboard somehow being harder to use is junk too - because DUST will support mouse and keyboard on the PS3.

Also heavily laden with fanboyism.

But, the general points are solid.
Squidgey
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-02-13 20:44:04 UTC
Degren wrote:
I was with you until you said two things.

1) Consoles are less hackable than PCs.

No sir.

Really. No. This is just false. In the most popular FPSs on consoles, there are

2) Top gamers shouldn't dominate.

Top gamers should be rewarded for their skills. Catering to casuals is pretty commonly done nowadays, but everytime its done in an MMOFPS, it fails. Whether its pay-to-win, a lack of locational damage, whatever. They die. Shooters are one genre where you either learn to move you mouse faster, or you deserve to die. It keeps competition fresh and alive, and it's why some older shooters continue to be played to this day.

Sorry if you disagree, sorry if this is offpoint to what you're suggesting. It's a sore subject. (Why did you have to be so bad, APB?! And you too, Global Agenda!)

...and yeah, the second one doesn't really have much to do with playing on a console vs PC, but the mentality is infuriating.
1: Yes. They are "less" hackable. And its very easy to get your whole console banned from use.

Are there ways around this? Of course. But its not like with the PC where any 10 year old can download "DUSTHAXPAXv.03" and then afk grind headshots.

2: OPs argument that top gamers shouldnt dominate is crap, yes. But his point that somehow you need uberleetskillz just to use a mouse and keyboard is crap. Anyone who plays more than an hour a week with a mouse and keyboard should be plenty competent. Hell, I hate using a mouse and keyboard and some of my best k/d ratios are on PC versions of games.

You are right that a better player should, well, do better. That is just common freakin sense.


But as was stated, the whole argument is moot because they are supporting the mouse and keyboard for the PS3... unless that was some early april fools joke anyways.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-02-13 23:19:28 UTC
Oh look, it's this thread again.jpg



Less hacks on console.
Console can support keyboard/mouse.
lol business deals


/thread

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Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-02-14 10:50:49 UTC
Squidgey wrote:
But as was stated, the whole argument is moot because they are supporting the mouse and keyboard for the PS3... unless that was some early april fools joke anyways.


No Joke.

http://www.dust514base.com/2012/02/cast-514-episode-1-ccp-grand-opening.html (It's an interview with CCP. Confirmation is at the very beginning.)

Squidgey wrote:
OP's arguments are garbage, seeing as xbox live had no problem working cross platform with PC server with shadowrun, and the whole thing of the mouse and keyboard somehow being harder to use is junk too - because DUST will support mouse and keyboard on the PS3.

Also heavily laden with fanboyism.

But, the general points are solid.


It wasn't so much that they wouldn't allow cross platform play at all, it's more what CCP wanted to do with their server/client method. On top of that Microsoft requires that developers charge for extra content. Of course this didn't fly well with CCP, who want to push out updates for DUST 514 just like they do with EVE.

If you really have questions/concerns/ideas/fears about DUST 514, please educate yourself before you wreck yourself. Good place to do that is come by the DUST514 channel in EVE or check out the blog linked earlier

http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com -** the** blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need

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