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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#341 - 2012-03-20 04:21:52 UTC
RE: Stopped light - the fact matter can slow light to me implies something can interact with the beam and slow it, over a possibly infinite space surely this decelaration must = total , ie loss of momentum.. so yes basically what I am suggesting is that this beam will deteriote into your blob of random EM eventually.

You say that light has some property to self perpatuate, that sort of goes against my thoughts that nothing is truely infinite other than 'change' .

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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#342 - 2012-03-20 04:26:48 UTC
You also may be able to explain this to me ..

I once saw a 'gimmik' item on a website that was a small ball that somehow became heavier with somesort of spinning item inside . Never saw one and only vaguley remeber the details but it did sort of imply to me it is possible to increase the gravity of an item somehow.

Is that true.. if so how and are there more than one method?

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Tsadkiel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#343 - 2012-03-20 15:40:27 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
RE: Stopped light - the fact matter can slow light to me implies something can interact with the beam and slow it, over a possibly infinite space surely this decelaration must = total , ie loss of momentum.. so yes basically what I am suggesting is that this beam will deteriote into your blob of random EM eventually.

You say that light has some property to self perpatuate, that sort of goes against my thoughts that nothing is truely infinite other than 'change' .


i've said it before and i'll say it again, you can be as uncomfortable with the scientific results all you want, but that wont change the nature of the universe.

yes, light is self propagating. this comes directly from Maxwell's equations when applying them as a solution to the wave equation. a changing E field can induce a changing B field which can induce a changing E field etc...

the other thing to note that the slowing down of light i am referring to in my previous post is a change in its velocity when it enters a medium, not the continual deceleration of light. we have no evidence to support the latter. light traveling at c enters a medium where the speed of light is 1 m/s, the light will start traveling at 1 m/s and keep traveling at 1 m/s until it is absorbed or it leaves the medium.

as for the spinning toy thing, i've never heard of this. now, it IS true that that space-time curves in the presence of energy densities (and mass carries a great deal of it, hence Newtonian gravitation). we have indeed proved this in the lab and it implies that a compressed spring is ever so slightly "heavier" than an uncompressed spring, but to see this at a macroscopic level, and in a toy non the less, makes me suspicious. do you have a link to this thing? i would love to read about it! =D
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#344 - 2012-03-20 17:23:41 UTC
I remember reading 10+ years ago that someone built a spinning device that uses the fact that capacitors become slightly heavier when they take a charge. The idea was to charge the capacitor at the top of the loop and discharge it at the bottom, adding a tiny bit of inertia "lifting" the device and making it lighter. The sensationalist press reporting it called it "antigravity". It was a neat trick that could only reduce the weight by a fraction of a percent.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#345 - 2012-03-20 22:03:39 UTC
Tsadkiel wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
RE: Stopped light - the fact matter can slow light to me implies something can interact with the beam and slow it, over a possibly infinite space surely this decelaration must = total , ie loss of momentum.. so yes basically what I am suggesting is that this beam will deteriote into your blob of random EM eventually.

You say that light has some property to self perpatuate, that sort of goes against my thoughts that nothing is truely infinite other than 'change' .


i've said it before and i'll say it again, you can be as uncomfortable with the scientific results all you want, but that wont change the nature of the universe.

yes, light is self propagating. this comes directly from Maxwell's equations when applying them as a solution to the wave equation. a changing E field can induce a changing B field which can induce a changing E field etc...

the other thing to note that the slowing down of light i am referring to in my previous post is a change in its velocity when it enters a medium, not the continual deceleration of light. we have no evidence to support the latter. light traveling at c enters a medium where the speed of light is 1 m/s, the light will start traveling at 1 m/s and keep traveling at 1 m/s until it is absorbed or it leaves the medium.

as for the spinning toy thing, i've never heard of this. now, it IS true that that space-time curves in the presence of energy densities (and mass carries a great deal of it, hence Newtonian gravitation). we have indeed proved this in the lab and it implies that a compressed spring is ever so slightly "heavier" than an uncompressed spring, but to see this at a macroscopic level, and in a toy non the less, makes me suspicious. do you have a link to this thing? i would love to read about it! =D



I'll need to do some searching to find the link to that toy, I saw one at christmas when I was shopping for my son but can't remeber what it called itself.

Still your description of light is hard to reconcile to my mind what you now describe is a perfect resonating 'pertual motion' entity that while being influenced in velocity by enviroment doesn't lose it's perfectly phased and balanced wave unto the infinite. You are implying it is constant in everything but velocity but then it was earlier though it was of constant velocity.

Science is only the abiltiy to see what can be seen, but forever there is more that could be seen

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#346 - 2012-03-21 05:18:48 UTC
How possible is FTL Travel? If it isn't why isn't it?

Though I believe that anything is possible through Science, because our understanding of the Universe is all Theory

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt

Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#347 - 2012-03-21 09:49:38 UTC
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
How possible is FTL Travel? If it isn't why isn't it?

Though I believe that anything is possible through Science, because our understanding of the Universe is all Theory


I hope Tsadkiel won't mind me trying and I am sure he will correct me if I am wrong. But what I remember from school, the reason you'll never achieve FTL is because of mass. The larger the object is, the more energy you'll need.

I think you'll reach like 99.9% of traveling at the speed of light but you are looking (I think) at infinite mass and infinite energy for that one procent.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#348 - 2012-03-21 13:37:51 UTC
Thanks again for this thread , most enjoyable on EVE gate EVA so far Blink

I hope your not offended if I seem to be stubbonly holding on to my small minded lttle view but truely that is probably a fair assement. 'Small minded'

I more than appreciate you taking your time and effort to teach me somehting I'm very interested in, but unfortunatly I don't have the knowledge of the fundamentals nor the mathmatical ablity to fully understand your answers, while I generally know what your on about and I can compare that to what I think I know, your full meaning escapes me.

I'm not being obtuse and stubborn of my views (well hopefully) I really don't understand the technicalities or full implications of what you say and it would take me some time to fully study the subject to understand even half of what you have said in this thread.

But if you would be good enough to indulge me once again

Oribital deteration- Is the earth destined to die in a fiery death by orbiting closer and closer the sun?

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]

Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#349 - 2012-03-21 14:06:48 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:


Oribital deteration- Is the earth destined to die in a fiery death by orbiting closer and closer the sun?


Anyone's guess at this point. But not really a concern of ours since it is about, oh, four billion years into the future.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

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So Sensational
Ventures
#350 - 2012-03-21 14:34:41 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:


Oribital deteration- Is the earth destined to die in a fiery death by orbiting closer and closer the sun?


Anyone's guess at this point. But not really a concern of ours since it is about, oh, four billion years into the future.

Not to mention that in theory 4 billion years of technological evolution is also likely something that would allow us to stop it from happening, seeing as how we're already considering how to do this with asteroids headed our way.
Tsadkiel
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#351 - 2012-03-21 15:33:05 UTC
i am sorry for the sparse replies, i have a lot on my plate at the moment. a few days ago i found evidence that completely invalidates the research i've been doing for the past six months... XP so i've been going over my work with a fine toothed comb... such is science...

oh, and Professor Alphane, again, you haven't offended me at all! i tend to be somewhat blunt and terse at times so so it may come across like that, but i assure you it's nothing.

i will try to answer your questions as soon as i get more time, but again, busy busy busy. keep them coming and i will do what i can! thank you all for contributing to this thread. i for one have really enjoyed the experience so far!
Whitehound
#352 - 2012-03-22 13:55:49 UTC
Why look at something that is far away, unreachable and happened in the past?

Why the need to find and to explain gravity when it is all around us?

Why make a difference between time and gravity?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

The Lobsters
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#353 - 2012-03-23 03:48:02 UTC  |  Edited by: The Lobsters
Two part question


1. Gyroscopes, and the forces contained/created by them. Why do they prefer to stay in a certain alignment. I've never had a decent answer on that one and I've asked a few scientists chums.


2. Fusion reactors. No longer a scientific problem. Now an engineering problem, we should see them soon enough.

Aren't they going to be big-assed gyroscopes powered by big-assed magnets? Are there going to be any secondary space/time effects when we start to produce forces of that scale?






You thread's mega btw!

That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim.

Selinate
#354 - 2012-03-23 04:02:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Selinate
The Lobsters wrote:
Two part question


2. Fusion reactors. No longer a scientific problem. Now an engineering problem, we should see them soon enough.

Aren't they going to be big-assed gyroscopes powered by big-assed magnets? Are there going to be any secondary space/time effects when we start to produce forces of that scale?

You thread's mega btw!


It's still a scientific problem, but it's also an engineering problem. The two can overlap sometimes. This is mainly because of the fact that there is a possibility of using muons to catalyze the fusion reaction, but god knows nuclear physics is mostly based off of "Does this data fit this model? IF SO PUBLISH!", or get data and make model from data and while it works well for a lot of stuff, it usually doesn't hold the answers to *everything*, and producing muons at the rate needed takes a lot of energy.

But no, they aren't going to be gyroscopes. I cringe at using the general word "magnets" when describing it also, but some designs include large electromagnets. The reason that I cringe at using the word magnet is that the plasma inside a fusion reactor produces it's own magnetic field also.

The big problem with these is that none of them run continuously, they all pulse over and over again to produce fusion. These pulses use a LOT of energy. Hint, this is also why I scoffed at people in a thread a long, long time ago who suggested a space craft that runs off fusion of deuterium in free space. The energy required to acquire that hydrogen and fuse it? BHAHAHAHAHA.

I got sidetracked, any who it gets more complicated than that. Different fuel types produce different types of particles which also carries it's own issues, or creates a better method of energy production (some fuels produce charged particles at high energy, which is nice charged particles produce electric energy very efficiently). However, some of these fuel types are almost non-existent naturally on earth, and while they can be produced, no one has really made the effort yet (probably due to funding problems and over-regulation by the government).

The other method is kinetic confinement, and I don't know much about that other than it uses huge lasers to compress deuterium into a very small space until it begins to undergo fusion.




One note you should consider is most advancements in nuclear reactors/technology (fusion included) is almost always hampered by over regulation of the government. There are designs floating around right now which still have yet to be accepted by the NRC, and these all just use UO2. Hint, some of these designs would make disasters such as the one at Fukushima essentially impossible for an earthquake and Tsunami, I kid not. Also, when you start using new fuel types, it's incredibly expensive and time consuming.

So, in short, no, fusion reactors aren't coming any time soon and probably won't until people realize "OMG WTF WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF FOSSIL FUELS" or "OMG WTF THE WORLD IS ON FIRE FROM GLOBAL WARMING".
The Lobsters
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#355 - 2012-03-23 04:21:18 UTC
Wow, thanks for a prompt reply. And yes, the 'magnet' description is crass.

A friend of mine returned from CERN last year with the news that the scientific team working on the fusion reactor had been reduced. Certain breakthroughs had been made and their main problem now was finding a way to build the next big self sustaining machine.

So he said anyway. They could have just sacked him and told him they'd 'cracked it, thanks for the help mate' just to get rid of him Blink

I guess my real pondering was, with these forces of a whole new magnitude, it's gotta be bending space

That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim.

Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#356 - 2012-03-23 13:01:10 UTC
When I saw a proggrame about that sort of experiment the (biggest) laser (array in the world) wasn't used for commpresion , the 'pellet' was in a massive pressure chamber, the laser was the 'Ignition' device.

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Whitehound
#357 - 2012-03-23 15:46:06 UTC
Selinate wrote:
... I cringe at using the general word "magnets" when describing it also, but some designs include large electromagnets. The reason that I cringe at using the word magnet is that the plasma inside a fusion reactor produces it's own magnetic field also. ...

It is pretty pointless to use magnets on anything that does not somehow have a magnetic field, you know?

I cringe at your fake cringing!

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.

Selinate
#358 - 2012-03-23 16:24:47 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
When I saw a proggrame about that sort of experiment the (biggest) laser (array in the world) wasn't used for commpresion , the 'pellet' was in a massive pressure chamber, the laser was the 'Ignition' device.


Ignition is achieved by compression of the fuel pellet down to a certain volume, at which point it begins to fuse.
Selinate
#359 - 2012-03-23 16:27:54 UTC
The Lobsters wrote:
Wow, thanks for a prompt reply. And yes, the 'magnet' description is crass.

A friend of mine returned from CERN last year with the news that the scientific team working on the fusion reactor had been reduced. Certain breakthroughs had been made and their main problem now was finding a way to build the next big self sustaining machine.

So he said anyway. They could have just sacked him and told him they'd 'cracked it, thanks for the help mate' just to get rid of him Blink

I guess my real pondering was, with these forces of a whole new magnitude, it's gotta be bending space


CERN? I didn't think they were doing any fusion-related research up there, I thought it was mainly theoretical nuclear/particle physics. Self-sustaining is also what I'm referring to as far as the fact that these reactors must currently pulse in order to achieve fusion, they need to run continuously, i.e. self-sustaining.

But yeah, that sounds about right, cutting the research funds for fusion. TBH, As far as I know, one of the few real bastions of fusion research is the nuclear engineering department at MIT. Most other people will just go "meh" at it.

As far as bending space, I don't know. That's a theoretical physicist's field, not mine. I'm sure they might argue that there are some theories that argue that all magnetic fields in itself is some form of bending a dimension of space, but it's just not something I'm familiar with.
Selinate
#360 - 2012-03-23 16:30:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Selinate
Whitehound wrote:
Selinate wrote:
... I cringe at using the general word "magnets" when describing it also, but some designs include large electromagnets. The reason that I cringe at using the word magnet is that the plasma inside a fusion reactor produces it's own magnetic field also. ...

It is pretty pointless to use magnets on anything that does not somehow have a magnetic field, you know?

I cringe at your fake cringing!


You see, this is one of the biggest misconceptions about magnetic fields.

A magnetic field does not attract. It does not repel. That is an electric field. All particles have an electric field. However, a particle only needs charge to respond to a magnetic field, in itself if a particle is still, it has no magnetic field.

A magnetic field simply causes charged particles to go round in a circle. However, moving electric fields also cause a magnetic field, but no, it's not pointless to use magnets on something that does not have a magnetic field. This is a misconception. It's pointless to use a magnetic field on a particle without charge (like a neutron) though, or a charged particle that isn't moving..