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Is It All About The Money?

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5p4c3 M4n
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-02-03 18:26:03 UTC

Does ccp really care when a long time player deletes their toons and quits eve? Or is it all about the subscription money coming in? I realize ccp is in this to make money but shouldn't it matter that long time players are leaving the game because ccp caters to a couple of huge alliances and ignores everyone else?

I had 3 friends quit recently that all had almost 100m sp's. Like me they have quit and come back off and on but finally had enough. They deleted their main toons including their stuff and left. I've been playing since early beta and am also considering the same. I've had enough and I'd just like to know if ccp cares?

It's kinda sad that a person can enjoy most of a game so much that they chose it as their only hobby.. but the game gets hijacked by morons(goons, aaa, etc.) and turns into frustration. I realize there are still people having fun and I agree the pvp in eve is awesome. But what is wrong with some people wanting to play in high sec and be left alone while others can play in 0.0 and have a good time. Why do some insist on ruining the game play of others and why does the game company refuse to fix these problems?

I know it's hard for some of you 0.0 losers to understand but there are people that want to play peacefully in high sec and not be ganked or cheated or w/e. And what's wrong with that.. there are lots of different areas in eve so why try to impose your 0.0 game style on people who want to play in high sec?

The reason I ask this is I really don't think ccp cares. I trully believe they have toons or friends playing in these alliances that get to do what ever they want without repercussions. So as long as the money is coming in ccp really doesn't care what normal players think.

I truthfully think that at least half the subscriber base in eve would leave if someone started a game like eve with places to play that were entirely safe from griefing morons. I can say that I would be one of them. It would be nice to be able to play in clearly demarc'd safe zones. I am a pvp'er. it's what I do in eve and I love it. Piracy in low sec is an incredibly fun part of the game, including gate camping with good friends. But some times I need to make some quick isk or I need to mine some carrier fuel, etc. etc. At this point it would be nice to have some safe area to play so I can relax and not keep looking over my shoulder.

I'm just curious if anyone has a legitimate opinion (not an ignorant troll post)?

btw...

  1. no i didn't lose a ship..
  2. no im not mad..
  3. no you can't haz my stufz..
  4. no i didnt take an arrow to the knee...
  5. no i didnt post with my main and really dont care what you think about it...
  6. blah blah..
  7. yada yada..
  8. w/e..


flame on..

Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
#2 - 2012-02-03 18:28:15 UTC
0/10
Honnete Du Decimer
#3 - 2012-02-03 18:32:44 UTC
I no know how true it is. Person tell me CCP developers original, they meet in Ultima Online. They are killer of players. Easy kills are fun for them Sad

PMS [:p]

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#4 - 2012-02-03 18:33:28 UTC
5p4c3 M4n wrote:

Does ccp really care when a long time player deletes their toons and quits eve? Or is it all about the subscription money coming in? I realize ccp is in this to make money but shouldn't it matter that long time players are leaving the game because ccp caters to a couple of huge alliances and ignores everyone else?

I had 3 friends quit recently that all had almost 100m sp's. Like me they have quit and come back off and on but finally had enough. They deleted their main toons including their stuff and left. I've been playing since early beta and am also considering the same. I've had enough and I'd just like to know if ccp cares?

It's kinda sad that a person can enjoy most of a game so much that they chose it as their only hobby.. but the game gets hijacked by morons(goons, aaa, etc.) and turns into frustration. I realize there are still people having fun and I agree the pvp in eve is awesome. But what is wrong with some people wanting to play in high sec and be left alone while others can play in 0.0 and have a good time. Why do some insist on ruining the game play of others and why does the game company refuse to fix these problems?

I know it's hard for some of you 0.0 losers to understand but there are people that want to play peacefully in high sec and not be ganked or cheated or w/e. And what's wrong with that.. there are lots of different areas in eve so why try to impose your 0.0 game style on people who want to play in high sec?

The reason I ask this is I really don't think ccp cares. I trully believe they have toons or friends playing in these alliances that get to do what ever they want without repercussions. So as long as the money is coming in ccp really doesn't care what normal players think.

I truthfully think that at least half the subscriber base in eve would leave if someone started a game like eve with places to play that were entirely safe from griefing morons. I can say that I would be one of them. It would be nice to be able to play in clearly demarc'd safe zones. I am a pvp'er. it's what I do in eve and I love it. Piracy in low sec is an incredibly fun part of the game, including gate camping with good friends. But some times I need to make some quick isk or I need to mine some carrier fuel, etc. etc. At this point it would be nice to have some safe area to play so I can relax and not keep looking over my shoulder.

I'm just curious if anyone has a legitimate opinion (not an ignorant troll post)?

btw...

  1. no i didn't lose a ship..
  2. no im not mad..
  3. no you can't haz my stufz..
  4. no i didnt take an arrow to the knee...
  5. no i didnt post with my main and really dont care what you think about it...
  6. blah blah..
  7. yada yada..
  8. w/e..


flame on..




Basically, you have simply said "I only want the type of PVP that "I" enjoy to be allowed".

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5p4c3 M4n
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-02-03 18:34:40 UTC
Chiggy W wrote:
0/10


You sir are the first moron troll post and have won an award. Please post the character you would like your award given to in game.

thnx and die please(in game)
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#6 - 2012-02-03 18:35:42 UTC
I look at it this way. If CCP didnt care for its other players they wouldnt of gave eve players the things they wanted.

Such as T2 Warfare links,
T2 tractor beams
T3 Battlecruisers,
Engine trails.
Orca's
Skill Remaps.
New ship designs/ New Skins/New Ship Color.
The list goes on. No CCP doesnt just give these major alliances all these new items and such. And its not as if CCP is forceing you to Pay for your sub or to log onto the game.?

If you dont like how the Creators of EVE run the game then go back to WOW and do the same boring thing every single time. IE getting to level 80 in 4 days.
5p4c3 M4n
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-02-03 18:37:04 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Basically, you have simply said "I only want the type of PVP that "I" enjoy to be allowed".



Basically I have said let low sec be what it is and 0.0 be what it is but make high sec truly safe?

I am giving you the doubt and replying as if you're not a troll.

Ocih
Space Mermaids
#8 - 2012-02-03 18:37:50 UTC
I don't think the big alliances are as "evil" as we make them out to be but I don't think CCP actually listens to little guys like me either.

They placate me and pretend to but the truth is, CCP wants an easy fix and go for the shiny, the big fish like Goons and -A- rather than truly listening to you and me.

EVE is a cold harsh Universe, livbe by the sword, die by the sword. I can't spend too much time feeling bad about any of it. I will like your friends feel "used up" and ignored when I leave.
5p4c3 M4n
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-02-03 18:39:07 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
I look at it this way. If CCP didnt care for its other players they wouldnt of gave eve players the things they wanted.

Such as T2 Warfare links,
T2 tractor beams
T3 Battlecruisers,
Engine trails.
Orca's
Skill Remaps.
New ship designs/ New Skins/New Ship Color.
The list goes on. No CCP doesnt just give these major alliances all these new items and such. And its not as if CCP is forceing you to Pay for your sub or to log onto the game.?

If you dont like how the Creators of EVE run the game then go back to WOW and do the same boring thing every single time. IE getting to level 80 in 4 days.


Never played wow.. thanks though.

I understand that ccp makes in game items for people to play. But seriously, what would be wrong with high sec being truly safe and low sec/0.0 being the regular current eve?
Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-03 18:39:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ezurae
baah screw the forum, ate my post...

won't bother to write it all again. so just a short version.


Its ridiculous of you to expect CCP to change their game to your liking. What you ask is a change of core game mechanics, of the heart of eve, which goes against everything eve is, a sandbox. you knew what you signed up for when you joined eve. Either adapt to the harsh world of eve or die trying. noone is sad about some carebears biomassing themself and seeing them go back to WoW or Hello Kitty or some other random pve "mmorpg"

if you want to enjoy pve without being target of other players go and play X3, its a great game. probably something for you
Honnete Du Decimer
#11 - 2012-02-03 18:40:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Honnete Du Decimer
Try Anarchy Online other screen. Mostly PVE game and some PVP. Has good equipment twink challenge and need good social for make team or raid.

PMS [:p]

Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
#12 - 2012-02-03 18:42:52 UTC
5p4c3 M4n wrote:
Chiggy W wrote:
0/10


You sir are the first moron troll post and have won an award. Please post the character you would like your award given to in game.

thnx and die please(in game)


To this char please.

And by the way, how do you expect people to react to such a stupid post? You love PVP/pirating but you demand a safe area for carebearing safe from "moron griefers"? Everyone in 0.0 is stupid? CCP only care about the money (hint: they are a business, so making money is a big part of what they do.)?

I'm sorry, I can't take this post seriously.

5p4c3 M4n
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-02-03 18:47:53 UTC  |  Edited by: 5p4c3 M4n
Chiggy W wrote:
5p4c3 M4n wrote:
Chiggy W wrote:
0/10


You sir are the first moron troll post and have won an award. Please post the character you would like your award given to in game.

thnx and die please(in game)


To this char please.

And by the way, how do you expect people to react to such a stupid post? You love PVP/pirating but you demand a safe area for carebearing safe from "moron griefers"? Everyone in 0.0 is stupid? CCP only care about the money (hint: they are a business, so making money is a big part of what they do.)?

I'm sorry, I can't take this post seriously.



I do not "demand". I asked what would be wrong with it? I also specified why I would like this safe area.

I'm sorry... for any normal human, this post has legitimate opinions and questions. Therefor if you can't take it seriously then I can't take your request for the award seriously.

Thanks
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#14 - 2012-02-03 18:49:26 UTC
5p4c3 M4n wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
I look at it this way. If CCP didnt care for its other players they wouldnt of gave eve players the things they wanted.

Such as T2 Warfare links,
T2 tractor beams
T3 Battlecruisers,
Engine trails.
Orca's
Skill Remaps.
New ship designs/ New Skins/New Ship Color.
The list goes on. No CCP doesnt just give these major alliances all these new items and such. And its not as if CCP is forceing you to Pay for your sub or to log onto the game.?

If you dont like how the Creators of EVE run the game then go back to WOW and do the same boring thing every single time. IE getting to level 80 in 4 days.


Never played wow.. thanks though.

I understand that ccp makes in game items for people to play. But seriously, what would be wrong with high sec being truly safe and low sec/0.0 being the regular current eve?


Everyone has had their fair share of being ganked in Highsec so your not the only player who thinks at it this way. However. The majority of highsec Gankers are players with bountys who think their good at pvp. and sit in highsec to get Easy Kills. because the players in Highsec Allow them to have Easy Kills. Why got to low sec/null to get hard kills when you can get easy kills in highsec. IE afk Miners. If Miners knew what fitting a tank meant. they wouldnt be crying so much. about a loss.

Eve is a mix of PVE/PVP. when you first start out yes all eve players do the whole PVE thing to have a basic income so they can PVP.
5p4c3 M4n
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-02-03 18:53:36 UTC
Ezurae wrote:
baah screw the forum, ate my post...

won't bother to write it all again. so just a short version.


Its ridiculous of you to expect CCP to change their game to your liking. What you ask is a change of core game mechanics, of the heart of eve, which goes against everything eve is, a sandbox. you knew what you signed up for when you joined eve. Either adapt to the harsh world of eve or die trying. noone is sad about some carebears biomassing themself and seeing them go back to WoW or Hello Kitty or some other random pve "mmorpg"

if you want to enjoy pve without being target of other players go and play X3, its a great game. probably something for you


So I can ask for a change based on legitimate reasons and it's "not eve go play something else" yet you can expect me to play to your liking? Really?

Btw.. the 3 players had pvp toons. 2 pirates and 1 0.0 supercap pilot that had no chance of owning a supercap due to his lack of being in one of the huge "specially treated" alliances.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#16 - 2012-02-03 19:01:39 UTC
5p4c3 M4n wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Basically, you have simply said "I only want the type of PVP that "I" enjoy to be allowed".



Basically I have said let low sec be what it is and 0.0 be what it is but make high sec truly safe?

I am giving you the doubt and replying as if you're not a troll.



Indeed, I am not trying to mindlessly troll you... however you are bringing up a question that was answered before EVE ever got out of beta.

It is very easy to create, and to play, a game that has distinct PVP and non-PVP area's. This is not the goal of EVE.

Whether you currently choose to realize this or not, a great deal of the enjoyment and satisfaction you derive from playing EVE is due to the fact that there is ever present danger and challenge in the various area's of EVE.

There is little point in achieving your goals when there is nothing but time and a grind keeping you from attaining them. Satisfaction comes from achieving those goals despite the best efforts of other players to out compete or simply stop you from attaining them.

This simple premise has been the cornerstone of EVE's success over the years. Removal of all risk for a large portion of the EVE universe would be easy to implement, but would cause immediate mass outrage and player loss... as well as shortly thereafter lead to further loss of subscriptions (due to sheer boredom) from the very people that would cheer the change initially.

I can understand your point of view, but you need to look a little deeper into what makes EVE tick to understand why this would ultimately be a very unhealthy step to take.

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.

Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
#17 - 2012-02-03 19:02:48 UTC
5p4c3 M4n wrote:

this post has legitimate opinions



5p4c3 M4n wrote:

huge "specially treated" alliances.



Yeah, those "specially" treated alliance's are a real problem. Ugh
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-02-03 19:07:50 UTC
God, those "specially treated" alliances suck

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#19 - 2012-02-03 19:14:15 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
5p4c3 M4n wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Basically, you have simply said "I only want the type of PVP that "I" enjoy to be allowed".



Basically I have said let low sec be what it is and 0.0 be what it is but make high sec truly safe?

I am giving you the doubt and replying as if you're not a troll.



Indeed, I am not trying to mindlessly troll you... however you are bringing up a question that was answered before EVE ever got out of beta.

It is very easy to create, and to play, a game that has distinct PVP and non-PVP area's. This is not the goal of EVE.

Whether you currently choose to realize this or not, a great deal of the enjoyment and satisfaction you derive from playing EVE is due to the fact that there is ever present danger and challenge in the various area's of EVE.

There is little point in achieving your goals when there is nothing but time and a grind keeping you from attaining them. Satisfaction comes from achieving those goals despite the best efforts of other players to out compete or simply stop you from attaining them.

This simple premise has been the cornerstone of EVE's success over the years. Removal of all risk for a large portion of the EVE universe would be easy to implement, but would cause immediate mass outrage and player loss... as well as shortly thereafter lead to further loss of subscriptions (due to sheer boredom) from the very people that would cheer the change initially.

I can understand your point of view, but you need to look a little deeper into what makes EVE tick to understand why this would ultimately be a very unhealthy step to take.


Hit the nail on the head.

Btw, OP, next time try to phrase the question in a way that doesn't insult griefers, pirates, 0.0 people, etc. Try to aim for "simple question". It will attract far less trolling.

For example, a better way for you to have started the thread would have been: "I see a constant struggle between those who want safer hisec and those who want a less safe hisec. This question has probably been posed before, but what exactly is wrong with a 100% safe hisec? Why is that so undesirable?"

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Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#20 - 2012-02-03 19:16:52 UTC
5p4c3 M4n wrote:

Does ccp really care when a long time player deletes their toons and quits eve? Or is it all about the subscription money coming in?


It's all about the money.

Quote:
They deleted their main toons including their stuff and left.


Their mistake.

/end thread.
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