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Why didn't you vote at the last CSM?
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Karadion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-02-03 12:43:37 UTC
Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:
I'm trying to however considering you don't understand the meaning of the word propoganda, I thought I would go back to base principles.

Given that the Goons claim to be a politically militaristic organisation i would recommend the idea to your superiors if they haven't heard of it. Blink

Doesn't answer my question still. However it's a nice to learn something I already know about, darling.
Erisia Malaclypse
The Discordian Echo
#22 - 2012-02-03 12:57:01 UTC
I never vote - it only encourages the megalomaniac idiots.

The representatives are always totally out of touch with anything resembling a 'majority' of the players anyway. You'd serve a better overall purpose and help the game more by weaving rugs from your bellybutton fluff...
The Snowman
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-02-03 13:37:26 UTC
You come to realise that actually, truth be known, anything and everything that the CSM takes credit for, really, is nothing thats not already available for CCP to read on the forums. CSM seems to just reads it back to them and add their own spin.

The amount of people that actually vote in the CSM is such a small insignificant amount that its any wonder CCP give them any credibility at all.

To me they come across as being devoid of any real qualifications and dont actually represent anybody but themselves.
J Kunjeh
#24 - 2012-02-03 13:44:41 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
A contentious point evident in many threads on the CSM and it's relevance.

I'm eager to identify whether people did not vote and if not, why not?


I had only been playing a very short while and did not feel I knew enough about EVE Online to vote for something that could change it. This time around I will vote.


Wow...you give way too much credence to a single vote. Sorry, but your single vote would have meant squat.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Aineko Macx
#25 - 2012-02-03 14:09:03 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Aineko Macx wrote:
I did vote. But having been at fanfest and talking to CSMs I'd vote differently today.
Why?

Isn't it obvious?
Chatting with them in RL gives much better insights into what they represent than talking to an internet persona on forums and blogs.

iveeCore 3.0: The PHP engine for industrial activities and CREST library
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#26 - 2012-02-03 14:24:29 UTC
Erisia Malaclypse wrote:
I never vote - it only encourages the megalomaniac idiots.

The representatives are always totally out of touch with anything resembling a 'majority' of the players anyway. You'd serve a better overall purpose and help the game more by weaving rugs from your bellybutton fluff...


I once believed that my vote didn't count. But that was before I realized that if I didn't vote, then I have no right to complain about the things that go wrong after an election. Therefore, those who don't vote are at fault because they didn't participate enough to ensure that their voices are heard.

Adapt or Die
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-02-03 15:14:11 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
I once believed that my vote didn't count. But that was before I realized that if I didn't vote, then I have no right to complain about the things that go wrong after an election.


You don't need to own a sheep to know what to not put in it.

ATX: The best of the rest.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#28 - 2012-02-03 16:09:04 UTC
I wasn't paid, so I didn't vote.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Tore Vest
#29 - 2012-02-03 16:12:56 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
I wasn't paid, so I didn't vote.


Same Bear

No troll.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#30 - 2012-02-03 16:17:08 UTC
last CSM election--the first one after I started playing--fell at a time when I just didn't have a lot of interest in Eve. I was playing a lot of other games and checking my skill queues mostly. I was only peripherally aware of the elections happening at the time.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#31 - 2012-02-03 16:53:24 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
A contentious point evident in many threads on the CSM and it's relevance.

I'm eager to identify whether people did not vote and if not, why not?



The coolest things that happen in this game are not programmed into it by developers.

Inequities in Eve should not be solved by developers but instead by ship to ship violence.

The CSM is a lie not because they have no power - they do. To wit, their power is merely irrelevant.

That is why I will not vote.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#32 - 2012-02-03 17:37:40 UTC
I did vote in the last one but it felt like I was voting for prom queen or something. I don't know if I will vote this year. All the candidates are pretty ugly.
Ilany
Nightingale Enterprises
#33 - 2012-02-03 19:14:33 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
I once believed that my vote didn't count. But that was before I realized that if I didn't vote, then I have no right to complain about the things that go wrong after an election. Therefore, those who don't vote are at fault because they didn't participate enough to ensure that their voices are heard.



Nonsense. You assume that the elected representatives of a party will do what the voters elect them to do. Since they never do, if I don't vote I cannot be at fault for selecting them and can complain freely without being hypocritical. Those who do vote are responsible for putting charismatic but clueless people into positions of power; every action those people take has been made possible by the gullible fools who bought into their pre-election propaganda (aka "manifesto").

If democratic societies had more stringent rules for selecting appropriately qualified candidates and voting systems which reflected the will of the majority then your argument might work.
The Apostle
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-02-03 20:33:05 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
A contentious point evident in many threads on the CSM and it's relevance.

I'm eager to identify whether people did not vote and if not, why not?


I had only been playing a very short while and did not feel I knew enough about EVE Online to vote for something that could change it. This time around I will vote.

I will caution you though, you are asking this question on the forum. It is a self selecting sample of players who are already more passionate about the game than most others. That said, you are also more likely to be trolled.

So don't base anything semi-serious on this forum thread. Fair warning Lol

The question has to be asked in the forum. Only medium I have available.

And "self-selecting" is fine. I don't intend to draw conclusions and start stating 50% said this and 50% said that. I just have my own belief that a large part of the voter apathy is lack of connection and ownership of the CSM. Notwithstanding the percentage of Highseccers who did not vote, there is obviously also a large portion of Null/Low who didn't either.

Why this is happening intrigues me?

Poor communication between players and CSM?
Lack of progress on Eve players personal issues?
The perception of skewed self-interest?
Bias in CSM selection?
It's a game?

I wish I knew. I'm soliciting possible answers.

Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for alliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest.

Bring back Eve. OUR Eve.
Ai Shun
#35 - 2012-02-03 20:44:12 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
A contentious point evident in many threads on the CSM and it's relevance.

I'm eager to identify whether people did not vote and if not, why not?


I had only been playing a very short while and did not feel I knew enough about EVE Online to vote for something that could change it. This time around I will vote.


Wow...you give way too much credence to a single vote. Sorry, but your single vote would have meant squat.


An election is made up of millions of little votes. Each of them counts.

The Apostle wrote:
I just have my own belief that a large part of the voter apathy is lack of connection and ownership of the CSM.


And its' been seen that you are unlikely to consider anything outside of your pre-set beliefs. /shrug. I don't see a point to this.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#36 - 2012-02-03 20:49:01 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:

An election is made up of millions of little votes. Each of them counts.


That's sweet....you keep believing that.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Ai Shun
#37 - 2012-02-03 20:55:02 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
That's sweet....you keep believing that.


If you vote for something it does not mean you'll get your way. I know more modern generations are spoiled and expect that whenever they stamp their feet they'll get what they want and from that perspective yeah, I can understand what you are saying.

But if you don't vote - your vote can't count. And if enough people vote for the same thing, you can make it happen. But if ...

Why am I explaining this? You should know how to count Lol
The Apostle
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-02-03 21:00:20 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
I just have my own belief that a large part of the voter apathy is lack of connection and ownership of the CSM.


And its' been seen that you are unlikely to consider anything outside of your pre-set beliefs. /shrug. I don't see a point to this.

My beliefs are not preset. I'm completely open-minded and I've yet to be convinced I am far off the mark. I'm putting forward what I'm seeing and hearing. Having one person repeeatedly tell me "I'm wrong" is not a conclusion.

But alas, having a different opinion doesn't make it right and given your rationale thus far, you know that more than many others on GD.

But I'll entertain you. What causes the apathy?

(I am very concious of cause and effect here so don't hold back in the explanation Blink)

Nullsec democracy is an oxymoron. Bloc voting for alliance candidates is Democracy for Morons 101. Let them perish in their self-interest.

Bring back Eve. OUR Eve.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#39 - 2012-02-03 21:36:04 UTC
I didn't vote because.

1. i hate politics in the real world.
2. i play a game as a game. not as a this and that with this many pancakes.Big smile
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#40 - 2012-02-03 21:47:51 UTC
I didn't vote because nobody offered me isk to vote for them. You think I am going to vote for you for free in this game universe?Roll

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