EVE General Discussion

One wonders how much space a saved fitting requires? I have a 300Gb SATA sat around doing nothing. If I donated it, how many fitting saves could it hold? If each save needs 100Kb (this seems pretty generous to me, and I'd expect it to actually be more like 1-10Kb), then it should be able to hold ~3 million or so.

What's the total number of saved fittings?

Incidentally, if PrismX is worried about saving space and unnecessary duplication, then having an option for alliance fits would obviate a huge amount of duplication. Rather than have hundreds of alliance members each needing 10-20 standard fits saved, they could all reference a single instance of each. As an additional bonus, this would be such a huge administrative bonus to alliance FCs that many of them would probably weep for joy. Some might even go so far as to log in. Instead of having to chase hundreds of individuals or multiple corps to update their saved fitting, they could change a single fit once and know that every single one of their members had instant access to the latest fits. We already have corp fits, which is a good start - please can we have alliance ones too?

I don't use the tool very often, but I can see how it'd be useful to many.

I'd like to see the numbers for Player/Corp bumped up. Each should have an order of magnitude difference (50/1000 or 100/2000, imo).

Also, the fittings should be able to be stored locally. That way if I want to attempt to make a complete set of every possible fitting, I can.

Additionally for the rich/paranoid allow a small AUR transaction to buy more database slots (something like 10 slots for 100 AUR). That way, those players that really want it and use it, can bump their storage up easily and those who don't can continue ignoring it.

First thanks for the reply, it's been very frustrating that this issue has been completely ignored for so long.

As to how many would be acceptable let me put it this way prior to the change I had 180 some odd fits saved most of which were lost (well effectively anyway) because there was no way to see them to determine which to import so I basically had to start from scratch rebuilding my collection and I was far more cautious skipping a lot of fits that I'd have liked to have saved but didn't because of the limit. It took me less than 2 months to completely refill that 50, that 180 was with a far more limited number of ships than I can access now, that was essentially just T1 ships as well as 3 races worth of T2 frigs, I've added 2 additional races T2 cruisers at this point and will be adding another soon and I"m already out of fittings.

As has been pointed out already your numbers are somewhat misleading, First a significant portion of the character base will be alts who really have no reason to save more than a handful of fits anyway, next we have all the Industrialists and traders who once again have very little need for so many fittings. Carebear's won't generally need access to a large number of fits.

That leaves the PVP'ers who I suspect make up the bulk of the 37 thousand with more than 30 saved many of those would probably have many more fittings if not for the current cap.

Admittedly the number of folks who need an extreme amount of saved fittings will be somewhat limited but those of us who need them really need them.

My primary activity in game is flying and fighting in RVB, In this capacity I spend a lot of time helping new PVPers figure out the ropes as such it's extremely useful to have a wide array of ship fittings available to toss out as examples. I fly all races T1 subcap combat ships and 3 races T2 frigates and 2 races T2 cruisers at this point and will soon be adding the other two races T2 cruisers.

Personally I think the limit should be high enough that no one is likely to hit it. Your numbers already show that the vast majority of characters won't be utilizing it anyway so storage really should not be an issue. Also I'm guessing the fits are coded similarly to how the link works with numeric codes for each module so I can't imagine they have that large a database footprint.


Ideally I'd like to see the limit removed but if that's not possible how about 500 that's enough that only the worst possible hoarder will ever hit it and will give plenty of room for those of us who need access to a large variety of ship fittings for personal use or training purposes.

So say 500 personal 1000 corporate fittings, Alternatively leave the 50 server-side limit and give us unlimited local storage though I suspect that would involve more programming than changing the integer on the current implementation. I would boost the corporate fittings either way.

Also restore the ability of the tool to fit rigs, if there is really a great demand to have the ability to forgo fitting rigs then put a setting in the tool to enable/disable the functionality.

I know that my fellow RVB'ers would be overjoyed to see this issue resolved and as AnzacPaul pointed out this should not be a difficult change to make, I mean what change 1 or 2 integers?

Once again thank you for your attention, it's been highly frustrating to have this issue ignored and is a huge factor in my anger over the NEX store and the Fearless document.

Good LORD please increase it to 75 or 100.

I can fly all the ships in the game (not many can, but old players can). I REALLY need at least 15-20 more fittings for key ships I fly at least once a week.

Different fits for the same ship, multiply with types of ships and multiply with races.
There's also PVP fits etc....

Very often looking at my own fittings is like waking up in a trashed room covered in vomit and seeing the bottle of whiskey from
whence the incident came and that feeling hits the stomach.

You see things from a different perspective I suppose. You see it as, "only 35 corps have used maximum slots" Where I see it was "As many as 35 corps are at maximum"

That so many individuals and corps have used their maximum fitting slots available would have me wanting to pay consideration to those customers who... may actually be representative of your most dedicated and loyal customers.

There is the other perspective that, since the available fitting slots are so prohibitive, then people arnt using them for anything but the most precious of fittings.

Personally I keep some fittings Ive made / found as a way of linking them to those people who are seeking advice, I know Id keep a lot more if I had say.. 200 slots.

Here's another perspective. If, as you claim your statistics prove, people arnt really interested in using those fitting slots already provided then you could argue there is no reason why you shouldnt increase it, for those who want/need it. Considering that actually, it wouldnt impact database usage that much at all.

Anyway, understandable that its not priority and its not a major thing, but the OP is right, its these little things which could be improved, that never really get discussed. Sad, in a way that the only reason it gets discussed now is because there is a 'more than usual' attempt at openinign up to the community because they have been ranting and raving so much recently.

I'm sure it has already been pointed out, but if it has not I will point it out here.

You say roughly ~310k characters. Now you have to consider that MOST of those characters are just alts who, some of which, never even enter the game, let alone use fittings. And of the ones that do occasionally enter the game, you have the research alts/mining alts/industry alts/trade alts who all of which have no reason to have any fittings. The same with the corporations, a lot of those corporations probably only have 1-2 members and just sit around doing nothing. But if you would only look at characters that deal with combat (missioning/pvp/ratting/ect.) then there would be a much higher percentage of people using fittings. Granted I know it is impossible to look up only pilots that participate in much combat, but you get the point at least.

It would be quite nice to see this raised to 100 or so for personal fittings. 50 just wasn't even close to enough for those that fly several different ships in various configurations.

It'd be nice if the UI gang would make up their mind on how they want to save user preferences though:

- Bookmarks are server-side and laggy as hell if you use them a lot. Poor useability.
- Fittings got laggier when they went server-side, and we got fewer slots to save. 2 big downgrades in useability.
- Overview settings are client-side.
- 99% of the client settings in the ESC menu are client-side.


Why the server-side push? I'd rather see bookmarks go client-side for speed.

They do if you know how that tricky copy option in file explorer works.

And then they can be copied across accounts.

And they can be distributed amongst alliance mates.

And CCP doesn't have to waste extra resources to facilitate that sharing on their server if it was all client side.