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[DELETE THIS THREAD] New Battleship Idea: Genesis
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Amaroq Dricaldari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-02-02 20:59:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Amaroq Dricaldari
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SHIP NAME: Genesis
HULL DESIGN: Oversized Prophecy
HULL CLASS: Battleship
MANUFACTURER: Imperial Navy Shipyards
METAGROUP: Faction
TECH LEVEL: One

CONCEPT: The description of the Prophecy claims that it started out as a battleship, but prodcution of the larger version quickly ceased in favor of a smaller, faster version. This ship is that older, larger version, but with a few improvements, and it will have just recently re-entered production as a reward to High Ranking officers in the Imperial Navy.
Prophecy Description wrote:
The Prophecy is built on an ancient Amarrian warship design dating back to the earliest days of starship combat. Originally intended as a full-fledged battleship, it was determined after mixed fleet engagements with early prototypes that the Prophecy would be more effective as a slightly smaller, more mobile form of artillery support.

ROLE:
  • Anti-Battlecruiser and/or Anti-Destroyer (don't say 'Yeah, its called a Battleship', because this is a battleship)
  • Freighter Bodyguard (Who the hell would gank someone with a Battleship at their side?)
  • Limited Support Ship (Pure DPS, no logistics)

BONUSES (I'm unskilled with balancing things):
  • Amarr Battleship Skill Bonus: 10% Bonus to Large Energy Turret Damage and Tracking Speed per Level
  • 10% Bonus to Armor Resistances per Level

TOO LONG: DIDN'T READ

A larger, modified version of the Propehcy Battlecruiser, designed as a Battleship instead. It would still need balancing, obviously. In addition, it would need a slightly different appearance to prevent confusion. Let's start with a really sexy paint scheme, then some minor changes to the overall style of the model itself.

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Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-02-02 21:09:20 UTC
I want BSs with bonuses to medium guns, or bonuses to all gun size classes.

Ie: 5% bonus to energy turret ROF per level - be it small, medium, or large - Imagine a tackler's surprise when you fire 8 bonused small lasers at him... like a super tanked destroyer - of course, you'll get your arsch kicked in a fight with another BS using large turrets.
Amaroq Dricaldari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-02-02 21:12:51 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
I want BSs with bonuses to medium guns, or bonuses to all gun size classes.

Ie: 5% bonus to energy turret ROF per level - be it small, medium, or large - Imagine a tackler's surprise when you fire 8 bonused small lasers at him... like a super tanked destroyer - of course, you'll get your arsch kicked in a fight with another BS using large turrets.


Hmm... An Abaddon with 8 Medium Blasters and Tech II ammunition versus an Interdictor with Pulse Lasers and Rockets... that would be an interesting fight.

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Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-02-02 21:26:47 UTC
Ok, so basically, you're suggesting a new battleship (by the way, "Revelation" is already a dreadnought), without even any possible bonuses, stats, niché or... oh I don't know, why the game needs it?
Biomass yourself.
(I just love saying that)
Amaroq Dricaldari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-02-02 21:30:36 UTC
The reason I didn't suggest that type of stuff is because I didn't come up with it yet.

As for the reason why they should do it: They don't have a reason not to do it.

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#6 - 2012-02-02 21:32:22 UTC
Why? What role would said ship be supposed to fill?

If you can't answer a simple "Why?" with a solid reason , then you shouldn't post in the first place.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#7 - 2012-02-02 21:34:54 UTC
No, for the simple fact that you're in a sov holding alliance and do not know that a Revelation is the Amarrian dread.

though, new faction BS may be interesting ...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-02-02 21:36:35 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Why? What role would said ship be supposed to fill?

If you can't answer a simple "Why?" with a solid reason , then you shouldn't post in the first place.


This. ^
If you think something is worth adding to the game, there needs to be a reason for it, not just "why not?".
Amaroq Dricaldari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-02-02 21:36:44 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Why? What role would said ship be supposed to fill?

If you can't answer a simple "Why?" with a solid reason , then you shouldn't post in the first place.

Hey, you asked a complete question this time. That is an improvement over your other replies to my threads.

As for the role, I still haven't decided exactly why it should be put in yet. I was just thinking about ships and then I remembered the Prophecy's description, so I was like "What if you could use one of the prototypes?".

If you would like to help me come up with a role, then you are free to do so.

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Amaroq Dricaldari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-02-02 21:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Amaroq Dricaldari
Velicitia wrote:
No, for the simple fact that you're in a sov holding alliance and do not know that a Revelation is the Amarrian dread.

though, new faction BS may be interesting ...

I was invited to the corporation, then they joined the alliance.

And I didn't know the Revelation was a Dreadnaught because I simply didn't know until now. And the reason I don't know all of the Low/Null Sec stuff yet was because I wasn't prepared to leave High-Sec when I was told that they were heading to Null Sec.

But I fixed the problem. The Battleship now has a new name: Genesis
I hope that name isn't also in use.

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Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-02-02 21:45:17 UTC
It's not. But it's still completely pointless.
I ask again, what exactly is the niché you're trying to fill here?
Amaroq Dricaldari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-02-02 21:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Amaroq Dricaldari
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
It's not. But it's still completely pointless.
I ask again, what exactly is the niché you're trying to fill here?

Why do you think I am asking for ideas? I haven't come up with it yet. But I am starting to have a few ideas. How would these appeal to you?

Mega-Assault Ship
Anti-Battlecruiser and/or Anti-Destroyer
Support Ship (DPS, no logistics)
Hauler Bodyguard Ship??? (still unsure on that one).

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Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-02-02 21:54:49 UTC
Quote:
Mega-Assault Ship

Doesn't really mean anything...

Quote:
Anti-Battlecruiser

That's called a battleship...

Quote:
and/or Anti-Destroyer

That's called a cruiser/battlecruiser

Quote:
Hauler Bodyguard Ship??? (still unsure on that one).

That's called a scout or logistics ship.

You realise this is a forum for posting ideas, not asking for them, right?
Amaroq Dricaldari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-02-02 23:10:41 UTC
I posted my idea, and I am asking for feedback ON the idea. Plenty of people do that.
Unless you want me to ask CCP to delete this entire thread so that I can restart it from scratch.

The roles are just brainstorming. I don't actually know what role it should be. Sheesh!

Call this a Co-operative idea. Multiple people can contribute to eachother's ideas.

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Danel Tosh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-02-02 23:11:00 UTC
love the idea of a battleship sized prophecy. that little bit of lore too.
as far as roles are concerned Ive got a little somthing to get you guys on the right track.

We need a ship that can brave the unforgiving woes of the Blob!
We need a ship that can Laugh in the center of a warp disruption bubble, and giggle at the sight of Hostile Titans!
We need a ship that can Fight against all odds and still prevail!
We need a ship that Leads others into the fray, guns blazing!
We need a ship that Can't Survive, BUT LIVE!
FOLLOW ME BOYS! THIS BATTLE HAS ONLY BEGUN!!

yea im kinda looking for that, i think you get the picture :)
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-02-02 23:15:51 UTC
Quote:
I posted my idea, and I am asking for feedback ON the idea. Plenty of people do that.

What idea? You posted a class name and and a few lines of fluff.

Fact is, a new ship needs a niché, and there are virtually no useful nichés that other battleships don't already fill.
Amaroq Dricaldari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-02-02 23:18:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Amaroq Dricaldari
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
Quote:
Mega-Assault Ship

Doesn't really mean anything...
Its bigger than a Heavy Assault Ship.
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
That's called a battleship...
It is a Battleship.
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
Quote:
I posted my idea, and I am asking for feedback ON the idea. Plenty of people do that.

What idea? You posted a class name and and a few lines of fluff.

Fact is, a new ship needs a niché, and there are virtually no useful nichés that other battleships don't already fill.

Okay, sorry. I just wanted a ship that was based on some lore for another ship. What's wrong with that?

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#18 - 2012-02-02 23:24:54 UTC
Danel Tosh wrote:
love the idea of a battleship sized prophecy. that little bit of lore too.
as far as roles are concerned Ive got a little somthing to get you guys on the right track.

We need a ship that can brave the unforgiving woes of the Blob!
We need a ship that can Laugh in the center of a warp disruption bubble, and giggle at the sight of Hostile Titans!
We need a ship that can Fight against all odds and still prevail!
We need a ship that Leads others into the fray, guns blazing!
We need a ship that Can't Survive, BUT LIVE!
FOLLOW ME BOYS! THIS BATTLE HAS ONLY BEGUN!!

yea im kinda looking for that, i think you get the picture :)


Wait ... you're asking for something that looks like a Prophecy, can lead other ships into battle, and has an epic tank that can survive a titan ... did anyone else hear "Damnation"?
Amaroq Dricaldari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-02-02 23:36:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Amaroq Dricaldari
mxzf wrote:
Danel Tosh wrote:
love the idea of a battleship sized prophecy. that little bit of lore too.
as far as roles are concerned Ive got a little somthing to get you guys on the right track.

We need a ship that can brave the unforgiving woes of the Blob!
We need a ship that can Laugh in the center of a warp disruption bubble, and giggle at the sight of Hostile Titans!
We need a ship that can Fight against all odds and still prevail!
We need a ship that Leads others into the fray, guns blazing!
We need a ship that Can't Survive, BUT LIVE!
FOLLOW ME BOYS! THIS BATTLE HAS ONLY BEGUN!!

yea im kinda looking for that, i think you get the picture :)


Wait ... you're asking for something that looks like a Prophecy, can lead other ships into battle, and has an epic tank that can survive a titan ... did anyone else hear "Damnation"?

This isn't a specialized Command Ship, buddy. The Damnation is a Tech II Prophecy Variant. What I an proposing is a Battleship that looks like a Prochecy, not a Tech II Battlecruiser.

Advantages:
- It has lower skill requirements than a Command Ship
- It can use Large turrets

Disadvantages:
- It doesn't have all of the tricks and abilities Command Ships have
- It is a bigger target


By the way, mxzf, I think we are actually starting to get along.

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Danel Tosh
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-02-02 23:47:33 UTC


Wait ... you're asking for something that looks like a Prophecy, can lead other ships into battle, and has an epic tank that can survive a titan ... did anyone else hear "Damnation"?[/quote]

True but more like a battleship sized Damnation (lol)
also little performance was for lolz but i see your not laughing.

still we need a ship to fight the blob, wether the answer is an oversized Damnation or a miniature Eribus. I dont know but the problem exists and should be met, not by a pathetic Nerf But a Big Huge Buff were it counts (i.e. newepicblobpwnage Battleship).
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