Ships & Modules

With lazers and armor tanking. I want to know the best ship with the best fit. Im not woried about theprice. cant quite seem to find one better then my tengu. http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/48526-PERFECT-lvl-4-Tengu.html that fit can insta pop frigs and tear down bs's along with tanking any lvl 4 at 99% shields. goes fast from gate to gate. I would like a big bs fit and a t3 fit for amar. will pay iskies if i can find the perfect fit.

Usually it comes down to Nightmare (fading glory) or Paladin (increasingly more common) as 'the best' level 4 mission ship.

Because you specified armor tanking - then you would go with the Paladin. The Nightmare is an amazing faction laser boat but with shield tanking and a slightly bigger price tag.

The Paladin will be perfect for you for any future Level 4 missioning "fun."

Edit: As far as fits... just use the common EVE wisdom and avoid Battleclinic like a plague. FHC is a much better, more reliable resource for fits.

From experience... you have amarr skills you have cladari/shield skills.. get a NM.

If i cross train to a nightmare with shield skills, wont it hurt the value of my charicter? also what is this eve wisdome, i googled it and couldnt find it :D. been playing this game for 7 years, just goes to show how big of a nub i am.

I would suggest a Paladin or Nightmare as the best Amarr L4 runner but I personally like the Paladin as it's more cap stable and can salvage a little bit.

The Paladin can be fit a variety of ways but when I rarely feel the urge to run a L4 I use the fit below:

Paladin [L4 Missioner]

Lows:
2x armor thermic II
1x armor em II
1 Corpus A-Type Large armor repper
3x imperial navy heatsink

Meds:
2x cap recharge II
2x tracking computer II (tracking or range scripts)

Highs:
4x tachyon Beam Laser II (Imperial Navy multi-frequency)
2x tractor beams
1x Salvager

Implants:
PG8
AX-2
CC8
CX-2
Lancer G2-Epsilon

Rigs:
Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Large CCC I

Drones:
5 Hobgob II
5 Hammerhead II

Stats (all level 5)
1009 DPS/6943 volley (INMF guns only) to 43+41km (range scripts)
1108 DPS with hobgobs
~800 dps tank for bloods and sansha
Cap stable at 52% without the repper running

Comments:
I have run hundreds of L4s with this and have had no problems except in L4 Sansha Blockade(heavy tracking disruption so don't use a gunboat for it). Tachyons are good for missions but pulses and an afterburner can be fitted it you want. However, with tachyons you will kill stuff as fast as you can lock it (3 volley most BS and insta-pop everything else). Salvaging is ok but I usually run 3-5 missions then come back in a Noctis.

As for your Tengu fit it's very similar to mine but if you are in Amarr space and use a Paladin/NM you will only need to use the tengu for the rare Gurista/Angel missions. Although be cautious when running missions (in your tengu) that have Sansha Dark Lords. They have very good tracking and a lot of damage so if they spawn at range they might test your tank.

[Armageddon Navy Issue, Amarr L4]

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Drone Link Augmentor I

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Imperial Navy Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800

Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener
Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener
Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Energy Collision Accelerator I
Large Drone Speed Augmentor I


Ogre II x5
Warrior II x5

1103 DPS with drones and Scorch
786 With Scorch, no drones.
1100 with Conflag, no drones. 1417 with drones
986 with Imperial Navy Multi, no drones. 1303 With Ogres
If you don't like the Heavy drones having to fly everywere then you can change them for sentries

Full fit is cheaper than Paladin and Nightmare hulls alone and you could pimp it out with deadspace mods if you wanted to. Only downside is the cap booster to make it stable, but its not like pressing a button occasionally is game breaking. Im not quite sure if the tank is enough for a few of the harder level 4 missions though.

There's no ship that can't fit them. There's just ships where you have to be ballsy enough to sacrifice your tank seriously to fit Tachs and use a cap booster.

Lasers, armor tanking and Lvl4 sounds like Paladin, id suggest that you train Nightmare tho.

Stop the Thief and Damsel are the only lvl4 that id go for Pulse fit, otherwise its Tachymare all the way.

While only having 4 guns does cut down the total cost associated with buying scorch every 1000 shots it's still more cost effective to use Imperial Navy crystals as they last at least 4000 shots and using them of tachyons gives you almost 3 times the range of pulses. I have used the same set of crystals for 3 months and they are only .86 damage and I have run a lot of missions and incursions with them.

As for tracking issues in missions if you know what you are doing it never becomes a problem. Sansha/Blood Raider/ Drones/Mercs etc. all spawn at least 40km away on the missions I've run and if they don't you can warp in at 50km+ and snipe them. In the 2 years I've used my Paladin the only mission that gives me a problem is L4 Sansha blockade with the 6 perma tracking disrupting elite cruisers. And it's not so much of a tracking issue since they spawn about 80km away and approach you with 0 transversal its having your optimal range reduced to 10km. Switching to standard crystals usually kills them pretty quick but you are doing about half your normal damage.

If you are a die hard pulse fan then by all means go ahead and use them but claiming tachs are useless for missions is an ignorant thing to say.

I did notice the T2 damage rig, but a really good Paladin with have 3 heat sinks AND a T2 damage rig.

If you actually think pulse with scorch do more DPS than tachs with multi you are delusional.


With 3 heat sinks.

Tach DPS = 915

Pulse DPS = 772

WHICH NUMBER IS BIGGER?