EVE General Discussion

I think the major issue is simple one of perspective.
hisec players generally have a smaller community, and whether its a matter of choice or necessity, they are playing in hisec. this insulates them from a lot of the content in the game. So, when someone comes along and suicide ganks their mining barge/hulk/orca, its a BIG deal, at least on a purely personal level. gamebreaking? absolutley not. but to them since its a personal loss (they are in hisec after all) it IS a big deal, and they want something done about it.

The major Nullsec alliances are full of former hisec players, after all thats where everyone started, and they moved on to adifferent part of the game. so, having experienced more of the game, and living in nullsec isn't a picnic (although that doesn't make it 'dangerous') they tend to have a broader perspective.

there are lots of things that don't quite work the way they should, sovereignty would be the big one. super caps are another. then you have wardecs, faction warfare and so forth, these are the big things that need to be fixed, your average nullsec player will recognise this, but to your average hisec player, the fact that his hulk just got shot out from under him, with no warning whatsoever, by some spotty prepubesant 30 something living in his mothers basement, the big issues are small in comparison.

your average hisec player will therefore resent the fact that the major things that are broken will be fixed, rather than fixing the much more important fact that he lost his hulk to someone in hisec of all places....

As for Mittens scamming using his CSM chair status, there was this wonderful thread a while back where someone accused him of doing that, but as the story evolved, it turned out the guy had actually managed to scam himself using Mittens' CSM chair status.

The guy had assumed that, since he was CSM chair, The Mittani would be a good person to send a whole lot of assets to for no particular reason, never taking the time to actually investigating who he was or whom he represented. Mittens basically said, “eh, sure… give me stuff if you like” and then the self-made victim did. Good cheers were had by all.

The way i see things is. You dont like what he is doing all this blah blah you. have a few options.

1. Form a Fleet up go down to goon space blow their crap up. Disrupting their production of certain things in the game.
2. Camping their space for hours on end. *really makes them angry as it would anyone else*
3. Wardeck their highsec corporations.

4. and last but not least if you dont do any of these then stop COMPLAINING!!!!!!!!!!

No matter what answer you'll get at each point the thing is that there is some misperception (? sry not english native) about Goons, their play style or thier intentions.
Did the Mittani scammed someone with his main? -probably not probably yes, he's English so he's for sure lazy but not stupid, so he probably did it with one of its numberous alts?
-doesn't really matter, the moment people think about it, he's already guilty and this is eve and it's a harsh world where courts are meaningless, only people's justice counts.

Of course everyone and his mother knows that you'll find hundreds of asshats with goon tag but not more than any other alliance around, you'd be surprised to meet so many good people with goon tag even if at the end of the day you'll have to target it and shoot it, it's a game after all.

Over 7000 players from different places speaking different languages, trying to put efforts in commun to achieve something in the game (frack you silly GB/US shakespear language assassins), this means a lot of conflicts and a lot of noise wherever they go and believe me, you need to know at least once what your local looks like when a fleet of 600 Goons arrives in your system

What you should have learned from this past year is that if you can't get something by discussion you can get if by force doing stuff intelligently.

-Ice interdiction: who said or still says that no one can do what he wants with market provided it has man power enough?

-ganking mechanics changes: no changes for gankers for profits, casual jerks however feel the pain now. More SS hit plz

-neutral rep changes: sucks to loose the neutral alt T2 logistics faction fitted? -excellent, it's all good for the game. More plz

-wardec changes: you can't perma wardec noob or industrial corps?- you can't wardec/ransom them with one corp and offer Merc services with another just because you know how to abuse of game mechanics? -excellent, more is needed

-who started to talk about moongo and the imbalance it is as it stands? -changes will come for sure.

-A lot of stuff I/you just forgot?

All this had positive impact for high sec despite my personnal thinkings for "x" or "y" CSM member and Mittani might well be lazy, as every good GB/US is, but he's not stupid. So all those moves described above were good moves for general gameplay and not only null sec.

Does the CSM chairman attitude looks cynical and arrogant? -yes, what better can you expect form a lazy english?
Are the changes hitting TQ good for the game in the long term? -hell yes twice

Who said nothing was donne for high sec? - you silly afk pørn carebears !

And that can be done by getting 25% of the vote from last election (So if 40,000 voted; 10,000 needs to support) a thread in the Assembly Hall. Then the CSM is forced to discuss it at the next CSM meeting.

It is in the hands of the players. They very often choose not to do a single thing about it.

Except whine.

No Quorum

So as one of the folks that started early in this election cycle to try and get a "carebear" or two in the next CSM let me clarify a few points.

1. CSM 6 didn't nerf anything. It appears however, that they were very effective at getting CCP on a path to focus on game elements that are more interesting to the nulsec large power blocks. Since CCP has limited resources that means the folks like the miners in high sec aren't going to get any new content.

2. Mittens has very very effective at representing his peeps.

3. For me, no rage. Respect and reaction is how I am expressing myself after the very effective for what many regard as a narrow set of pilots in Eve session of the CSM 6.

4. Definitely understand that it is easier to get well organized nulsec power blocks to get folks in the CSM. You answered your own question, if 66% of Eve is not in null sec it is in CCP's best interest to make sure that 66% of their paying customers get their voices heard.

Hope that helps clear up at least one candidates stand on the questions you pose.

…except that 66% of EVE is not in nullsec. 66% of the characters are in highsec. At 2+ε characters per account and a guesstimate of 2-ε accounts per person, chances are that less than 40% of the paying customers are in highsec.

On top of that, the supposed “highsec voice” is not even in the slightest as uniform as that. My highsec interest is that highsec becomes far more dangerous and far less profitable than it currently is, for instance. Does your proposed highsec voice cover that?

Highsec ≠ carebear, no matter how much the carebear minority would like to think so…

This is true; but keep in mind CCP already has visibility of the issues raised even if it doesn't reach the 25% approval margin; so they can see what the CSM votes down as well. It won't be missed.

Then why are we seeing so many posts from the prophets of doom telling us that CSM6 is destroying the game and they must be stopped at any cost?

CSM 6 didn't spend a great deal of time on high sec issues because high sec is fine. Level 4 missions got buffed, high sec incursions are the biggest isk faucet in the game, suicide gankers don't get insurance anymore, etc. I honestly can't image what more "high sec players" could possibly want other than more space pants but hopefully if any future CSM member starts crying about space pants CCP will just ignore them.